. >>> let's bring in jamal simmons. are not a democracy. >> i'm beginning to understand now how they're so hard. and clearly we are a republic but we are supposed to be a democracy. >> one person, one vote i think is a fundamental ethos of our tenant. >> i don't know what else he would have said if we kept going. but i think the inflexibility and the arrogance of this position and face of it going through so many different branches of government, the supreme court said it's constitutional. you can't just turn around and say we're going to shut the whole government down if we don't have our way. >> supreme court says constitutional. the president ran on this in 2008 and again in 2012. the american people -- >> and romney ran against him against this bill. >> romney ran against him. and the senate, we have democratic control of the senate again. so i think the republicans are completely out of their league. let's stay focused on the real life people here. you talk about the number of people in the congressman's district. a

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joining me now, goldie taylor and jamal simmons. thank you both for being here. >> good evening. >> thank you. >> goldie, if republicans wanted a fight with this president over obama care, they sure got one today, didn't they? >> they certainly did. i was sort of half watching the television set when the president walked up to the podium. when i heard him light into the gop today, i said where has that guy been? i was glad to see him today. i've got a friend of mine who lost his job a couple years ago and lost his health care. could not afford the cobra payments. and got tragically sick. wound up having to file bankruptcy. and the next job opportunity that was afforded to him, he did not get because he didn't have the credit rating that the company who was hiring him wanted him to have. there's a catch 22 here that people are locked in their jobs because they're afraid of getting sick or have an existing illness that won't be covered if they move to another plan. obama care solves that. one in four americans are literally locked int

ah, with me now to discuss "the washington post" political reporter jackie cusinich and jamal simmonsboth. jackie, i want to start with you because reading some of these stories, you have to wonder who is actually in charge. i mean, here you had -- there was a continuing resolution to try to vote on this week. and then, there was a sort of grim mick that boehner thought he could try to get the house to vote, get it over to the senate, make it so the senate didn't have to defund obama care and he got called out for it. they had to pull the continuing resolution. when's in charge? >> it's been a mess. and you know, the midst of that, you had the senate conservative fund, a group that jim demint started and now no longer affiliated with, calling the members and opposing the resolution you were just talking about. there are outside pressures coming in and, you know, these people don't want to be primaried and seeing a lot of that at play and republican leaders don't have anything to offer them anymore. there's no earmarks and don't care about committee assignments and trying to figure out

joining me now, crystal ball and jamal simmons.coming on the show. >> thanks for having me, rev. >> thanks, rev. >> also with us, of course, angela rye, who's sitting there look at me saying i'm here too, reverend. let me get serious. cutting through this, what is the goal here to this kind of talk, crystal? i mean, because this is as extreme and bizarre as you can get, but you have a u.s. senator joining in the pile-on. >> it's propaganda, pure and simple. they try to make everything black and white, cut and dry, and do everything they possibly can to undermine this president. and you contrast that with the president, who weighed the facts, the actual facts of what's going on in syria, came to a very difficult decision, and then had the respect for the american people to bring that case to them, to ask congress to deliberate on, to bring that information to them in the speech that he gave tuesday night. and he did not engage in propaganda. here's the cut and dried case. he said it's complicated. here's the evidence. here's the fac