and jameel jaffer, the deputy legal director with the aclu.we are back in a moment. ♪ [music break] >> this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as we continue our conversation about the national security agency. on sunday, the german publication der spiegel revealed new details about secretive hacking or secretive hacking unit inside the nsa called the office of tailored access operations, or tao. the unit was created in 1997 to hack of global communications traffic will stop still with us, jameel jaffer, deputy legal director of the aclu and glenn greenwald, the journalist who first broke the story about edward snowden. glenn, can you talk about the revelations in der spiegel? >> sure. i think everybody by now knows that the goal of the nsa really is the elimination of privacy worldwide -- not hyperbole, not metaphor, that is literally their goal. but the specifics are still really important to illustrate the scope and invasiveness and dangers presented by the secret surveillance system. and whether