i'm joined by jamelle dumalaon. we have been covering the topic for many months. us start with the point of view of the consumer. as we see the concision, i do wonder do consumers in germany really want to get rid of diesel cars? jamelle: i think things like air quality and maintaining respiratory health are very important. at the end of the day, we all have to breathe. how that is to be achieved is where you see a detergent and opinion. a ban will affect the lives of lots of people. we have about 2 million tracks. small businesses are worried about the supply chain. we will have to create exceptions for ambulances and fire trucks. if it is any comfort, this will be a relatively long-winded process. this will take months. cities have to update their air quality regulations and then come up with a plan. nobody will start pulling off diesel cars off the roads immediately, but it could happen. host: let's talk the other side of the industry. we saw it. diesel cars in germany are extremely popular. no coins and the carmakers have pushed the -- no coincidence. the carm