james andrew miller is co-author of the book "live from new york: encensored history of saturday nightanks for having me. >> let's talk about how "saturday night live" went from being a goofy comedy show to a political touch stone, a way to make and break politicians. that really hurt gerald ford. >> a de facto branding of the candidate or president, and it kept on going through the generations to the point now i think if you're running for president, you almost automatically think i'm going to have to go on "saturday night live." >> you had iconic portrayals whether dana carvey being george h.w. bush mocking him in a way, of course, you have to include the sarah palin impression that a lot of people believe very much contributed to her downfall, her sort of cultural downfall. is "saturday night live" at this point more than a comedy show? it's had its critics in terms of whether it's funny every year, of course. is it now as you said something presidential candidates actually need to fear? >> i think it's part of the political process. i interviewed senator mccain and governor palin a