for that and more we turn to james b. stewart joins us for his first cable news interview about deep state. it is very hard for a book that you have spent a couple weeks with to land dead center in today's news with yesterday's news. what was senator johnson trying to do, explain it on from "meet the press." >> he has done what i explored in deep state. it was so terribly destructive. the department of justice, the fbi, the traditionally independent and judicial branchs of government and accuse them of being filled with traitors and spies and being part of a deep state trying to protect their own powers and eject a democratically elected president to preserve those powers. there is in a sense a deep state in this country. there is a very large bureaucracy. it is sworn to uphold the constitution and the people of the united states. they do not work for the white house. when the white house violates the constitution or does not act in the constitution it is their obligation. it is their obligation to come forward. as we've seen wit

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visit takeactionpv.com lou: joining us tonight, pulitzer prize winning author james b. stewartep state trump, the fbi and the rule of law. james, it's great to have you here. congratulations on the book. you and i have a different perspective on the deep state and the two parties. but i think as usual, you have written a book that compels attention, provokes thought, and devil take the hindmost of. >> i'm an investigative reporter, not partisan. i try to uncover facts and let people make up their own mind. to me this is one of the most of dramatic stories in modern history. it its the president against deeply entrenched organizations. the outcome we are watching unfold in real-time. lou: this must have driven you somewhat mad having to deal with ongoing developments as you come to the close of your book was this case it appears will stay open for some period of time. let's go to the u -- to the inct point of this corruption story. when do you see this as having begun. ways the incipient point at which wrong was done. >> i start with the email investigation and what led into tha

b ngham: in his new book, pulitzer prize winner james b. stewart gives an in-depth look at the two of the most controversial recent investigations by the f.b.i. and the justice depart first, the probe into hillary clinton's use of a private email server when she was secretary of state, and then the investigation into russia's interference in the 2016 the trump campaign participated in that effort, or tried to block the inquiry. the book is called "deep state: trump, the f, and the rule of law." and james stewart ins me now. welcome. >> thank you. aood to be here. >> so "deep s" as we know it is a pejatorivrme ateb shadowy, unseen forces conspiring and pulling theof loaferpower. and the president has repeatedly stated that certainly withinheb. , that there is a deep state of trmp-hating agents and officers and officials. you've spent two years digng into this agency. is that true? >> it's utterly false. president trump has weaponized this notion of a deetep sta turned it into this pejorative term. there is a career bureaucracy. there ar independent

joining me from the mismis, james b. stewart is also the author of a new book i highly recommend "deep state, trump, the fbi and rule of law." let's start with this. gates said no relationship, nada, nothing. you report these two met six times. what does gates say about that? >> i believe there were more. he and his group would not admit to the times. visits to seattle, flying in epstein's plane when we all know bill gates has his own $40 million plane. and then as an investigative reporter, why would gates said hes what no relationship when he knows what the facts are. >> he also has one of the largest most established foundations on his own. why would they ever set up a charitable trust benefitting jeffrey epstein? what's the explanation? >> not only does he has the world's largest charitable foundation but one of the missions is to help young women in underprivileged countries. jeffrey epstein was preying on young women from south from afr. there were those horrified with what jeffrey epstein had done and saying we don't want

james b. stewart is a pulitzer prize winner, author of "den of thieves," among his other books.e also happens to be a harvard educated lawyer, columnist for "the new york times," staff writer at "the new yorker" and in his spare time a professor of business journalism at columbia university. he is with us from capitol hill. jim, thank you very much for coming on the air tonight. let's go to the title of your book first. >> thank you. >> it's become a staple go-to phrase every hour by the hour in prime time over on fox news. where did it come from? and what's its nonpejorative meaning and usage? >> well, trump has weaponized the idea of the deep state. it originated in countries like egypt, turkey where entrenched corporate military industrial complexes, bureaucracies would occasionally overthrow either elected or dictatorial government. it leaped over the ocean to the united states. it was really very similar to the military industrial complex. it was thought of as wall street, of the lobbyists, of the big corporations, of big technology, silicon valley. and, by the way, trump's

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the author of the new book, "deep state," james b. stewartart with robert and this whole doral story. >> yes story is an under statement. trump's national doral in miami or doral as it is called, the biggest moneymaker more than twice the revenue and four times more than mar-a-lago. it did $76 million last year revenues have fallen by more than a third at doral since 2016 he bought the property near the miami airport at a bankruptcy in 2012 for $150 million borrowing $125 million from deutsche bank. it got 643 room and a golf course that's nicknamed the blue monster. he used to host the pga tournament the trump organization says we are excited to have been asked to host the 2020 g-7 summit at trump national doral mulvaney says the resort was chosen after a nationwide search and the summit will be done at cost so the president won't profit miami is of course the offseason. rates often fallen below 40% g-7 will help fill those rooms doral only has two presidential suites, of course, for seven heads of state the club is battsling members wo quit

levelled against the intelligence community and the fbi since he first took office and one that james b. stewartning. >> it's interesting you tackle this issue, deep state wasn't in our political lexicon, his allegation is there are people inside these government agencies actively working against him what did you find? >> you meet these characters in my book, and the fact is in a sense, he's right, there is a deep state, there is a bureaucracy in our country, pledged to respect the constitution, respect the rule of law, they do not work for the president, they work for the american people, and as comey told me in my book, thank goodness for that because they are protecting the constitution and the people when individuals, we don't have a monarch, we don't have a dictator, they restrain them from crossing the boundaries of law. >> the deep state is a pejorative term, they don't mean that as a compliment. >> it's pejorative of how they were treated in turkey, and egypt, protecting their own power. what trump calls the deep state in the united states is protecting the american people and protecting

joining us now pulitzer prize winning author james b. stewart., trump and the rule of law ". great to see you. congratulations on the book. we've been talking about that this is perhaps the moment that president trump has been preparing everyone for by using the term fake news, don't believe what you're hearing from the president and deep state. don't believe what the intelligence services, the fbi, justice department, anybody in the government tells you. he's laid the groundwork for this moment and you describe the deep state relationship in the book. >> well, you see the whole saga unfold there. but what's so astonishing to me as a long-time reporter is she with the executive branch, trump, at war with the law enforcement agencies, which is unprecedented in my lifetime. and he has branded them as admittedly he's very good at doing, this sinister deep state. and i think what i found, what you see here is in a positive sense, yes, we do have a deep state in this country, a very large bureaucracy who's primary loyalty and duty is firstly working f

james stewart on the mueller report. >> i was working at the wall street journal reporter, in about 1985, i was covering a merger and acquisitions bresume as he went through a brief and very unsuccessful period as a corporate raider. this is when he bought the trump shuttle airline he was making threats at other airlines and how to cover m&a and a routine part of my job i called him up and said can i interview you. he said definitely. come see me but it must be completely off the record. no one must know you are meeting me. i said all right. i went to trump tower and went up to the marble lobby and i was shown into his office and we were chatting briefly when his secretary came in and interrupted and said, mr. trump, mrs. so-and-so is here. he said show her in. i said so much for the completely secret meeting with me. she came in and he said, james, i want you to meet, i