about this so-called data center spy center under construction in utah here to explain why is james bamford investigative journalist and author of numerous books including the shadow factory james welcome thanks very much tom i have to say your book the puzzle palace was for me one of the fact i had you on my radio show after came out it's just just in any case you'd use marvelous marvelous work and so what is what is going on into well if you mention it's actually the largest spy center in american history it's a million square feet two billion dollars it will be able to hold maybe up to a yota bite worth of data which if you measure that out in pages would be basically two hundred quintillion pages of text so to hand it's a million two hundred actually five hundred quintillion pages of text but this is this is more than enough to reach from here to the moon many many many times over. it's an enormous data center and that's what n.s.a. needs to have to put all the information it collects eavesdrops on enormous amounts of communications all over the world including in the united states. and