e writes of alexander -- james bamford, welcome back. tell us who then as a chief alexander is. >> thank you, good to be back. four-starander is a general. if you walked and pennsylvania avenue in front of the white house, it is not very likely that even members of congress would recognize who he is. his name is unfamiliar to most americans, his face is unfamiliar to most people even in washington, but he is the most powerful person that has ever existed in the american intelligence community. he runs the largest and most secret intelligence agency on earth, probably, which is the nsa. in charge of enormous numbers of people that do just amazing electronic spying, as we could see in the last weeks. he runsion to that, basically his own military, the u.s. cyber command which was just placed under his authority. u.s. cyber command is an extremely powerful organization that has already launched aggressive what they called kinetic attacks. that means destructive attacks, using cyber to destroy things. they destroyed the centrifuges in the ir

i'm pleased to have james bamford back at this table. welcome. >> good to be here. >> rose: there's much to talk about but just give me your sense of where the question is today about nsa and these surveillance programs. we'll get to snowden later. >> well, the impression the american public had for quite a while was everything was under control and that the abuses of the bush administration were long gone, and what appears to come about with these new revelations is that they didn't go away they were just stamped legal and continued. >> rose: and enhanced, increased or not. >> exactly. >> rose: i don't know, i'm asking. it was even more and more intensive. >> this went beyond what bush did in some respects. bush did it sort of on an isolated basis going after a number of people but this is wholesale now. they've got apparently if they're tapping into the nine major internet companies, that's more than what bush was doing. >> rose: here's what you wrote. someone whose written many books and articles about the agency i've seldom seen the

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the last segment, james bamford said, in britain they manage to debate this stuff. you know what?ed by people like eric cantor, just had a chance to debate this thing and reauthorize the fisa amendments -- and so did the senate, and they voted overwhelmingly to do so. if they wanted to debate it or investigate it, they could and many people knew about it. they could claim now, for all they want, that they didn't have the chance but that's the difference in a democracy. congress could have said we are not going to reauthorize this, we want this change to happen. they chose not to. >> let's be clear, the democrats reauthorized it, too. >> completely true. >> now, maggie, i've been quoting politico so much, i feel like i shouldn't say this -- as glen writes, in an irony now being savored by his critics, obama administration officials are now relying on republicans to defend him against charges from the liberals and libertarian right he's recklessly prioritized national security over personal lent. >> the argument that neoconservatives make and foreign policy and national security haw

you are on with james bamford. caller: hi, how are you? just wanted to make a point -- obama did not do the patriot act, that was bush in 2001. i'm letting all the callers know that. an importantthat point for you? tell us more about that. aller: because i feel that lot of people are attacking obama for this. -- is going forward with this, i do think it is wrong, i do think it is definitely an invasion of our privacy, but i do want to make the point that this is something thatstarted in 2001, and it should have been retold long ago. retooled long ago. people need to stop blaming obama. there are provisions in the patriot act that allow for the government to come in and take are pretty from americans. -- whether the american is suspected of terrorism are not here it with that in mind, the government can to determine what people are looking at. based on that, they decide whether you are engaged in unsavory activities. --y have a lot of specific host: it's not like you are still concerned, even though you point out that this is not something

of rights defense committee ginger mccall director of the open government council at epic and james bamford journalist and author of the book the shadow factory the ultra ultra secret n.s.a. from nine eleven to the eavesdropping on america and i should add james your first book that i read decades ago was the puzzle palace back when the n.s.a. was not even allowed to be discussed so thank you all for being here james you've been on this trail for a long long time yes i mean you've been as i said writing about the n.s.a. since before government employees could acknowledge it. what are your thoughts on the private as on the rant that i just laid out you think i've just gone down along the road i would know a lot about it myself and it's really probably has no idea how big this is if you're driving at the bottom of washington parkway and you go by n.s.a. which is on the right. it's a huge organizations mostly hidden by trees but if you look on the left that's the headquarters for all the corporate industry that associated with the n.s.a. it's an enormous industrial park booz allen everybody ha

joining me now, nsa historian james bamford, author of the book "the shadow factory." also author of a new piece on wire.com about general alexander, "the secret war." the general question of how keith alexander acquired so much power. >> well, it was a combination of a lot of factors. one of the things was just the length of time he's been there. he's been there almost nine years now. there's never been a person in the history of the american intelligence community that has served in that high capacity that long. and the longer you serve in a position like that, the more power you acquire. in addition to that, he's been given enormous more responsibility than anybody else has been given because he runs not only the most secret and largest intelligence agency in the world, but also he runs the cyber command. he's a four-star general. nobody's ever been head of the nsa that's been four stars before. the highest you can go in the military. and now he runs a cyber command which is this enormous organization dedicated to both spying on foreign governments in terms of their

in other words, they're looking for james bamford, there is an e-mail that goes by, it mentioned james then that would be seg regatd out instantly at the speed of light and shot over to nsa for analysis. that's how they do it with at&t. that's probably how they're doing it here. >> james, we want to thank you for your time today. again, james bamford and eamon javers, great seeing you in person. joe, we'll send it back over to you. >> okay. thank you, becky quick. michelle caruso-cabrera will come up next with an interview with billionaire car loss slim. we will get his take on regulation in the telecom industry right now. oh, what? say good-bye. >> say good-bye. >> bye, becky. >> bye. >> you will catch a flight to vegas, she'll joan us tomorrow from hp's discovery conference with special guests, including meg whitman, the hp, ceo, guru marc an dressen and gregory page ceo, cargil, that's tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. . which is good for business. because planes use less fuel, spend less time on the ground and more time in the air. suddenly, faraway places don't seem so...far away. ♪ the most

over the next hour we will hear from authors james bamford, matthew aid james keefe and dana priest. up first is the author james bamford whose first book about the nsa the puzzle palace was published in 1982. he spoke about the follow up to that book "body of secrets" in 2002 at the independent institute in oakland, california. >> the nsa is an extremely secret agency and when i wrote the book he it was the first book written about nsa today never thought i would have to read a second one but after i wrote puzzle palace no one came along and followed in my footsteps so i ended up writing "body of secrets" 20 years later which is only the second book written on the nsa so i sort of have a monopoly on that topic at this point. the government was not very happy that i wrote the "puzzle palace" and they twice wrote me for prosecution even though i never signed clearance forms with the nsa or anything else. they just didn't like anybody writing on the nsa. the old saying at nsa is that the nsa stands for no such agency and internally the joke is that stands for never say anything. then w

whistleblower thomas drake they both talk about this is really made naris hardware in james bamford of of wired had a great report on this and in two thousand and ten. naris made israeli hardware that you that they put on the eighteenth tee made wiretapping rooms so they put the hardware on the cables and split them so i don't have to share it all to do i'm sorry folks i have to jump in here we have to go to a short break and after that choppers will continue our discussion of the national security state stay with our keep. away builds on the bones of its make its the winds through one of the wildest and most beautiful regions of russia a place that's home to less than a million people and the keepers of the great frosts. join me james brown as i travel to the coldest inhabited place in the world. and meet some of the toughest people. do you stumble on the planets. just make sure that you keep your eyes on the road. race to the poll of polls only zero known to you. british. the global economy. to. react to situations. where. question. when you should be ready for a. speech and. the fre

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joining me now is journalist james bamford, author of three books on the nsa, including the most recenthe nsa are from 9/11 to the eavesdropping on america." thanks so much for being here. >> my pleasure, mara. >> few people outside of the nsa understand the agency better than you. can you describe some of its operations, the scale of what happens there? >> sure. it's a mammoth agency. the largest intelligence agency on earth. and its job is to collect intelligence via electronics, whether it's telephone calls, e-mail, whatever kind of electronic information there is, nsa's job is basically to collect it, where the cia is basically assigned the job of developing human agents. nsa's job is eavesdropping. >> now, in a new profile of the nsa director general keith alexander you write, "never before has anyone in america's intelligence sphere come close to his degree of power. the number of people under his command. the expanse of his rule. the length of his reign or the depth of his secrecy." what did you learn that made you write that? >> well, i've been following nsa for 30 years now. my

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a man named james bamford wrote a number of great books about the n.s.a. and we all suspected what was going on. to see these documents confirm what we suspected. that we were being spied upon on a regular basis. >> rose: also there is this fact. since technology has risen to play such a prominent part, people have so much information about us and about everybody in the phone surveillance people are saying well, what does the government know about you? what do all the internet sites know about you is another question? >> i think it's this intersection between private and government that's also terrifying. so to some extent when you turn on your computer and you're searching for things already your choices are being curtailed by private enterprises which have -- like the film "minority report" have looked up your past preferences and are now pushing you towards certain decisions rather than letting you roam freely on your own. >> likes, like, and lakes. you say it's a contradiction of the internet, a tool of liberation, a spy magazine that brings us closer

and author and journalist james bamford, who has written extensively about the n.s.a. and other intelligence agencies. welcome to you both. is edward snowden a leaker or a whistle blower? >> definitely a whistle blower. he's not profiting from this in anyway. he's going to be harmed very severely because of this. he's doing this because he thinks it's right because he thinks that the public should know that the government was picking up and storing billions of their telephone records. you know, they had a debate about this in england in the last few weeks. it was public. it was about a bill going through congress to do a similar thing. over here we don't do that. we just secretly do all these things. the public has a right to know what's being done with their telephone records. >> he's a leaker. what he did was inappropriate. i do think we should have a public debate. we actually had a public debate around the 2008 amendment, the foreign intelligence surveillance act. this law has been on the books since 1978. it was passed in response to the abuses in the nixon admini

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tonight james bamford who has written more about nsa than any other journalist talks about the currenttroversy and what happens to edward snowden. >> rose: do we know what they do or don't know what they do. >> i've written three books on them and still wondering what they do. it's a very very secret organization and again, these revelations show how secret it is. very few people know what they do. nsa, the old joke is it stood for no such agency and internally it stood for never say anything. >> rose: we continue this evening with golfer graeme mcdowell of northern ireland i

host: one more question, james bamford. after the information is taken and what is done with it -- this is a picture of the data center in utah. is that with the information is stored once it is that the or are there other places? guest: i read a story on the data storage in utah. there was a cover story on that program for wired magazine last year. it is a 1 million square foot datacenter. that will be the central location where all the up,rmation that nsa picks whether it is by satellite all from this prism collections horror from call details or from collection horse or from call details, libya, afghanistan. they will all go to this one location, this one million- square-foot data center in utah. that will serve as the nsa's cloud. to that location, the nsa analysts will be able to access all the data sitting there through fiber-optic cables. nsas a repository for the surveillance capabilities and didpoint where the analysts into to analyze the information. a longtimes bamford, writer on these issues and an author as wel

. >> arthur james bamford's "the puzzle palace" first contributed.er director of national intelligence. put this in context. could yu ever imagine that it could be as extensive as it is? >> no, i couldn't. before the age of digitalization and internet and all that i wrote my first book on a typewrighter, for example. >> what is a typewrighter these days? kids look at this and have no idea what it is. >> they say say it's a keyboard attached directly to a printer and they would understand. >> right. >> yeah, but back this those days when i finished "the puzzle palace," the highest thing that they had was a fax machine. >> but that in a different way, have we seen all the fears that came oust 1984 realized to a degree? >> to some degree. the whole idea was the move toward totalitarianism, to a totalitarian state. and that was helped along by having all this surveillance so nobody could really go against the government, and that's what a lot of the worry is today. we're moving to more and more surveillance which will push us more toward totalitarianism.

tell you about what is coming up on tomorrow's edition of "washington journal" and we begin with james bamford will talk with us about the history of public surveillance programs and relations acknowledging the existence of ongoing foreign intelligence surveillance programs. later, we will be joined by maria kumar and mona charen. they will talk about their research reports on breadwinner moms. we will wrap up the program yacoubian talking without the current conflict in syria. i want to thank everybody for watching this edition of "washington journal" and we will see again tomorrow morning at 7 a.m. eastern time. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] ♪ today on c-span, conservative groups testify at problems -- about problems with the irs. part of the national defense authorization markup from the .ouse services committee john kerry was because years american jewish committee global forum. >> i realized the pursuit of peace is not as dramatic as the pursuit of war and frequently , butords fall on deaf ears some say tha

host: james bamford, national security writer, and author as well and writes for several publications joining us to give his perspective. mr. bamford, thanks for your time. guest: i appreciate it. thank you. >> president obama addressed concerns over the government surveillance programs discussing the need to balance individual privacy concerns with the ability to protect the country against national security threats. speaking at an event in california, his remarks are about 15 minutes. >> remember, people, you'll have an opportunity to answer the questions when i'm with the chinese president today so i don't want the whole day to an bleeding press conference but i'm going to take jackie collins' question. >> can you please react to the reports of secret government surveillance of phones and internet? and can you also assure americans that your government doesn't have some massive secret database of all their personal online information and activities? >> yeah, you know, when i came into this office, i made two commitments that are more important than any commitment i make, number one

tell you about what is coming up on tomorrow's edition of "washington journal" and we begin with james bamford he will talk with us about the history of public surveillance programs and relations acknowledging the existence of ongoing foreign intelligence surveillance programs. later, we will be joined by maria kumar and mona charen. they will talk about their research reports on breadwinner moms. we will wrap up the program with >> when you put on a europe formal for a maintenance job where you are a sanitation worker, you are consumed by the role where it is almost like you are a part of the background. on most like a machine. you are a human being wearing that uniform. the general world gets to overlook you. really not get to see you. you a cloaking device. or harry potter's cloak of invisibility. when i am wearing the sanitation your form -- uniform, i can observe people in ways they did not know. nagle onofessor robin q and a. >> in his weekly address, president obama calls on the senate for immigration reform. andgop proposals to advert interest rate increase on july 1. >> hi, everybody.

. >> of the next washington journal, james and i inferred bamford looks at public surveillance programsussion on the growing number of families in which mothers are the primary andiders with maria kumar mona charen. un's rolend eu in -- in syria. >> when you put on a uniform for a job that's a maintenance job at this is true if you are a building janitor or a sanitation worker, you are consumed by the role like you are just a part of the background. i am going to say almost like a machine. gets toral world overlook you. not really see you. i have called it -- it is like a cloaking device. those people who are star trek geeks will recognize that reference. ands both very frustrating also an interesting privilege. when i am wearing a uniform, i can observe people in ways they do not realize i am observing. . but nyu professor -- >> in why nyu professor.- >> the gerald ford foundation recognizes to journalists for their reporting on the president. this year's winners were hal bernton and john dickerson. this is an hour. [applause] .> thank you it is an honor to be here. many years ago dad