like these james bulger killers.o one would ever have a no one would ever have about that. >> everybody agrees here, right? i've always been in favour of the death penalty, but no one, no one would have a conversation. >> keir starmer would never put it to a referendum in this country. >> we will never. you know why. but you know why? because the answer will be that the death penalty will come in right people? and this is why brexit was a surprise to people and lots of things turn out to be a surprise to people because actually, what people are forced to say in the office and what they're forced to say, by the way, often in television stations. right, it turns out to be the opposite of actually what they're thinking, >> i've never been forced to present a view that's different to my own at all. and i absolutely think, at the very least, it should go to referendum. >> gb news. very true. right. if you worked for sky, you'd be on there for about 0.001 second. if you had any views. and by the way, somebody like me gets

if you think about the james bulger case that was blamed on a film, on the film child's play three, am which had nothing to do with the crimes, the horrific crimes that were committed. so is it just the case that we, perhaps the media generally is uncomfortable with the idea that people can turn violent and they just need to find something else to explain it? >> well, i think it's a mixture of things. i think there is partly that that we don't like to think that people would normally do that kind of thing. and so there is an urge to go, well, there must be some explanation. and obviously if there's some easy explanation that also happens to be the thing that people are blaming for other stuff already, like we've been talking non—stop about social media being to blame for everything bad for the last, i don't know what, five years at least . so if you can years at least. so if you can then tag the new thing onto that, then that's kind of convenient. i mean, i was really worried there was actually a an opinion poll of normal people after the normal people, there was an opinion poll of uk

look, i'm i'm just about old enough to remember when, james bulger was killed, and i remember the prisonng in and out of court. people throwing rocks at the van, you know, when things like this happen and they touch the soul of a nation and they rock our confidence in public safety, people get angry. it doesn't mean they're necessarily far right. i'm not saying there wasn't members of the far right at these southport riots, but people are allowed to be angry at what's happening to this country. they're allowed to be angry that a british army soldier was hacked in his uniform by a knifeman a couple of weeks ago. they're allowed to be angry that three little girls were killed in a summer club . were killed in a summer club. you know, parents leave them to enjoy some taylor swift dance classes or, you know, whatever. it was a yoga class , and they it was a yoga class, and they don't come home. people are allowed to be angry. and when for me personally, when sir keir starmer takes to the lectern and addresses the nation and she talks about protecting certain communities but doesn't once ment