bruin, first of all, former white house director of global engagement under president obama and james carafanodent of and former lieutenant colonel. i think what's so interesting is we keep trying to figure out, what motivates vladimir putin, what needs to be done to start it. james, i wonder if you can talk to me about the biden administration, trying to look elsewhere to try to secure these. how do we cut these off of vladimir putin. take away the funding. >> that's important. we have to look at the crisis after the next crisis. where we go from here. nato has a chance, only has a future because of the courage of 44 million ukrainians and they stood and fought, i think europe and the u.s. has the opportunity to wake up to the danger that putin hosts in the transalantic community. two things. military and the energy. so, the military conventional and strategic deterrence of nato, that's key. and the other bit is energy independence. i mean, the west has to have reliable, affordable abundant energy. and providing those supplies is important. as you say, energy is a global commodity. and so the

james carafano is here from the heritage foundation.think of china and how much its economy and strength is built on the financial deals that it has had with all of these western nations, that's their bread and butter. why would they risk compromising that seeing the same sanctions that russia has to join this fight? a fight we're told that they really wince at in the performance of vladimir putin in general? >> i think you're asking the wrong question. like what would they risk? the chinese don't want to risk anything. here's the two things that we think we know for sure. one is that the last thing china wants is to see russia humiliated. russia is their stalking horse in europe. they're looking to russia to divided a distracted europe. so russia is doing their work for them. they would had to see that be reserve. china will do anything it can for russia that it can't be held accountable for. so you better believe whatever they do, they will try to disguise it in a way not to give people a clear shot at them. here's the problem with ev

james carafano with criticism there. good to see you. see you soon. >> thank you, my friend. >> martha: so nearly 6.5 million ukrainians don't have a place to live in their own country. they have been displaced in their own homes. more than 3.2 million others have made it out, women and children mostly of the country. one of them a wife whose husband was supervising ukraine's largest nuclear power plants when it came under attack by russia. she calls it one of the most terrible nights of her life. her stunning interview with fox with aishah hasnie near the border with the rest of that story. >> hi, martha. good afternoon to you. her name is katrina. she was in hiding when we found her. she says she hasn't seen her husband for about three weeks because he chose to stay behind to protect europe from a nuclear disaster. so katrina's husband whose name we're not going to rely the protect him, his department is in charge of cooling the nuclear reactor at this power plant in southeast ukraine. she fled with her children days before the power p

joining us now, james carafano, vice president of foreign policy for the heritage foundation and an army veteran . james, thanks for joining us this evening. good to be with you. so what we're looking at here is now a stated plan b with jonathan hunt laid out more fighting in the east or more of of a push towards the east. but i think anybody whether you listen to us intelligence or analysts looking at a map saw an attempt by the russian military to surround kiv that abandoned for now or what happens next . so we've been getting these signals to the russians for kind of like the last 48 hours about focusing on on the southeastern part of the country from which from a strategic standpoint makes sense. that is the most strategically relevant to russia that's on the sea of ausra. that's that's the part that really gives russia control and access to to the to the black sea. so that's not surprising and it's also not surprising to be backing off from other areas. if you look at the numbers and look, we all know we don't really know if these numbers are solid or not, but when you add the numbe

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james carafano of the heritage foundation, great to talk to you, james. thank you as always for being with us. and tracy, i think james is pointing out there it is hard to overestimate the ways in which this war is changing the world and changing all of our relationships across this world. trace. and he makes a very good point when he says, you know, we have to show people what what the price is going to be. jake sullivan has a habit of saying, you know what , the price if they cross this red line will be very high. but nobody has defined the price yet. nobody has put any definition on exactly what that price will be except for the sanctions we have seen. so it's fascinating to see if in fact this thing push comes to shove. what and in fact that price would be jonathan, back to you in a moment. thank you . americans are stepping up to help the people of ukraine through charities including the red cross. it's one of the organizations providing critical medical and mental health support to those who are fleeing ukraine. you can join fox by supporting red cr

lieutenant james carafano, we appreciate your time. >> carley: why did president biden shut down thene? we're talking to one worker who lost his job on the renewed push for u.s. energy independence. also on deck this morning, keep it right here on "fox and friends first." not-for-profit i * * >> carley: united nations says two million people have fled ukraine, leeding humanitarian agencies completely overwhelmed cht the u.k.s government says 18 civilians, including two children, have opinion killed in the latest russian airstrikes on a residential neighborhood. you are watching "fox and friends first," i'm carley shimkus. tokd >> todd: i'm todd piro. the pentagon looks to send more