james carville will stay there.ll be right back. ♪ bernie sanders: it would be a that would be qualiie sders: ty women. >> would you name a couple? bernie sanders: no. it is early to speculate. but elizabeth warren i think has been a real championship standing up for working families and taking on wall street. >> we are back with longtime clinton ally james carville and joining us from our washington bureau, in the obama administration, anita dunn two is not affiliated with either campaign this year. thank you for taking the handoff. that me start with you. if you were advising the campaign, what is the best proper role for bernie sanders and his supporters at my convention presuming she gets a majority? anita: let him make his primetime speech and let him talk directly to this country about the differences between the two parties. primaries are about fighting for the direction of the political party but general elections are fighting for the direction of the nation. a sanders primetime speech convention, let him la

charlie is going to hand the baton off to a guy in louisiana -- james carville will join us right afters. ♪ stuarte are joined by stevens who is not backing any candidates in the cycle and ragin'cajun,is the james carville. we have just then discussing the alliance between ted cruz and john kasich. from a distance, does that look like smart politics to you in terms of stopping trump? james: when you're behind, you do things and nothing looks very smart. they tried to do something and it just and come off very well. you don't want to get your brains need in. it was fourth and 72 and they didn't want to hunt, so they swung it up in the air. it wasn't the most elegant pass i've ever seen but i can't lane them for trying. assume that this pact plays out over the course of the next few weeks. what is your prediction now? that donald trump is more likely to get to 1230 seven delegates by june 8? guest: you would rather be trump in this process than anyone else. is thatthe best bet trump will be short after california. i think indiana will be very important. the up and down side of tonight is

james carville and anita dunn. ♪ ♪ bernie sanders: would be a great idea to have a woman as ice presidentthing i would give very much thought to. mark: any women would be qualified for that? bernie sanders: yes, many. mark: can you name any? [laughter] bernie sanders: no, it is too early. but their people, elizabeth champions been a real taking on wall street. mark: that was senator bernie sanders on the morning joe. we are back with james carville in new orleans and joining us from washington, former white house communications director in the obama administration anita dunn, not affiliated with either campaigns this year. if you are advising the hillary clinton campaign, and she called and said what is the best proper role for bernie sanders and my convention, assuming she gets the majority, what would that role should be? tell her, let him make his primetime speech, to talk directly to the country about differences between the two parties. mark, as you know, their parting for the direction of the party, but general elections are fighting for the entire nation. primary speech let him lay

then clinton supporter james carville on hillary versus bernie. >> why would the democrats nominate someone who's not even a democrat? >> and why early mistakes by senator sanders could prove insurmountable for his campaign. >> i don't want to get hillary clinton more nervous than she already >>> good evening from milwaukee, wisconsin. i'm chris hayes. we're coming to you live from the lakefront brewery. just a few minutes from here, donald trump is due to take the stage any moment now accompanied by his wife who is making a very rare campaign appearance. just dn the street from that trump event, bernie sanders is holding a big rally at the exact same time. about 20 miles west of her, ted cruz about to speak at a rally in the state's conservative stronghold. what may be a sign of their expectations for tomorrow, tonight. they held earlier events in different parts of new york state. joining me now from inside that trump rally, nbc news correspondent, jacob. a very different scene from what i gather at tonight's trump rally in downtown milwaukee. >> donald trump expected here shortly with hi

. >> joining me now, democratic strategist james carville. james, let me ask you this. as someone who is a veteran of a lot of democratic party elections, what have you learned by the enduring appeal of bernie sanders this late into the primary schedule. >> i'm older. you have to explain to me. we've had two enormously successful democratic administrations. president clinton and administration of president obama. we've had a disasterous republican administration in the middle of all this. the republican party is cracking up right in front of our eyes. about 47% of the democratic party answer to this is let's nominate somebody that's not a democrat. it makes no sense to me. somebody will have to explain it. in terms of foreign policy area acendent. >> you're surprised by sanders performance. >> i'm more than surprised. i'm vexed by why two successful presidency, why would the democrats nominate someone who is not a democrat. i'm a little vexed at some level. to me, it really doesn't make any sense. from everything that i see from our own polling to other polling, the rep

and he said james, what do you think? carville had the greatest line.ernor, everything before the beatles, i decide. everything after the beatles, paul decides. and this is definite lei post-beatles call." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> he put those glasses on and went out and played and created one of the iconic images of the campaign. >> not only did we not see that coming, we couldn't compete with that. can you imagine putting president bush on arsenio hall? youth vote loved it. it spoke to change. it was really, really brilliant. >> so the candidate has rocked the youth with his saxophone. but is that all there is to bill clinton? america still isn't sure. >> people wanted to know more about where he came from. he burst on the scene. he's got like a different way. he's smart, he seems to have a lot of controversy around him. who in the hell is he? where did he come from? why don't i know anything about him? >> i was born in a little town called hope, arkansas three months after my father died. i remember living in that old, two-story house where i liv

james carvilles said he got philadelphia and and pittsburgh with alabama in between.hink of these almost as southern by mary's. donald trump will do very well today. in some ways, it does not matter. we are coming into trench warfare. on that front, ted cruz has eight stopping, blocking about to stop donald trump from getting the number he needs. that is the arrangement that ted cruz and john kasich made. francine: donald trump says that's unfair. dirtyif you think of the tricks of taken place, they used to detach car trains. hans: they have analytes. if indiana can be one for ted cruz, it makes it that much more difficult for donald trump. contestedthe most state? hans: it comes down to cleveland. the most contested state is going to be indiana. that is in may. hillary clinton is going to have a good day. it's going to be harder for bernie sanders to stay in the race. bernie sanders might not drop out. there's been no indication. he wants to change the platform. they call them cottages in rhode island. i wasn't expecting this conversation to go there. why not? stay w

. >>> in the words of james carville, it is the economy, stupid, so just what would today's candidatesdo to fix the country's $19 trillion debt? we took a closer look at their ideas in our weekly segment, "america's debt and the economy." this week donald trump made a rather dumbfounding declaration that he would pay off america's $19 trillion debt in just eight years. a goal almost every expert says is impossible. >> he might as well say he's going to flap his wings and fly. >> even if one could pay it off that fast, it could be harmful. >> you'd no longer have a treasury market and you would probably very greatly weaken the economy. >> trump's plan may not have hit a bull's-eye, but it did aim at a crucial issue rarely addressed on the campaign trail, the debt. >> it involves things that politicians don't like to talk about. you end up hearing fairy tale promises. >> bernie sanders has no qualms about who he thinks should foot the bill in paying off the debt. >> the top one-tenth of 1% owns -- >> republican trickledown tax policies are the major reason we have the debt that we do. th

we will see a little bit of this next week in pennsylvania which was famously described by james carvilleiladelphia on the east, pittsburgh on the west, and alabama in between. the center part of the state and the northern tier called the. >> it is a very socially conservative area. and we may see some of this. and we may genesee it on the 6th of may in indiana where the southern part of the state tends to be more socially conservative. it's going to be a delicate for both of these men to sort of push this because this is an issue where you don't gain much by advocating it and you could lose a lot by going overboard. >> all right. to me, it's not a major issue in the sense that there are very few people involved with this. there is a solution in the public arena that they should have a third bathroom that just says men/women with a slash. some place does that government sector should stay out of it. whatever bathrooms they want to have they should have. that's the solution to it polling is all going trump's way. i was surprised by the california number because a new field poll, not a new

any time you see james carville, the ragin' cajun, the pit bull, said sanders failed the test, and sandersack. >> it was even worse than that because hillary said i'm not sure, given his background, you know, where has he been, where has he gone, what experiences does he have that would lead you to think he's ready to be president? now, she says that doesn't mean that she said he wasn't qualified but bernie took it that way and he punched back. >> by the way, it's one thing to say that maybe you're better qualified. he's saying she's not qualified. >> right. >> sean, there's something missing here. let's be honest. let's be straight with the viewers. the major issue is trust and integrity and bernie has not mentioned e-mails. sean, if he's serious about winning, he will raise issues of trust and integrity and e-mails. he hasn't, and i can't understand why. >> let me give you a suggestion. he doesn't raise it because democrats don't want to hear it. it would not help him with democrats. it would help him maybe with independents. i could see that, doug. it certainly would help him in a gener