another is [speaker not understood], and james chafee. otto rich, astute, stellar individuals who are very well versed with the digital medium. now, most of their deliberation was not on point and it wasn't on point because what the city is doing not only the commissions, but even at the board of supervisors is depriving advocates, people with knowledge, not giving them sufficient time. for example, if you go to the board of supervisors, they're limited to two minutes. if they see me, they limit it to one minute. that's not funny. ray, mr. hartz, much like myself, are very well versed with the freedom of information act. he served in the navy, i served in the army. we feel strongly the need to express ourselves with the best technology available. not once have you commissioners mentioned any equipment that's wireless. do you know of any laptop that's wireless that can perform all that you stated? so, we have an expert or a facility manager here who says about digging under the concrete floor, installing a pipe and making -- and blowing th