. >> joining me now is democratic congressman james clyburn from carolina. good to have you here. as we dive in on this about the debt ceiling. we heard the president say he's not going to negotiate on anything when it comes to full faith and credit in our economy. is the debt ceiling where you expect the real fight to begin? >> thank you so much for having me, mr. roberts. i do expect for that to be the real fight. i do expect for the president, of course, to hold fast to the fact he will not negotiate on the full faith and credit of the united states of america. we're not talking about policy and programs going forward. we're talking about trying to pay the bills that we have already incurred. we have spent this money. we are trying to pay the bills. and for us to stay that we are not going to pay our bills is something that's absolutely ludicrous. now, if the republicans want to talk about spending going forward, lets sit down and have that kind of discussion. but when we are talking about paying our bills so that we can maintain a good credit rating, that should not be negotia

congressman james clyburn, south carolina, great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. now let me turn to nbc news capitol hill correspondent, kelly o'donnell. kelly, the president very determined, he is standing his ground. he's not going to make anymore changes. telling the house you've got to do what the senate has done, put it into historical perspective how many years that's the way it's worked. what's the latest now in this shutdown. what can we expect the republicans to do? >> reporter: well, i think it will be an eventful night, ed. there will be votes expected, but it will not be in the form the president just said is so critical to prevent a government shutdown. what the house wants to do is to provide for keeping the government open, but with those conditions of delaying the individual mandate and then also a move that hasn't gotten as much attention, but is a critical part of the political messaging that's going on. and that would be to end the subsidies that the government would provide when members of congress and their staff and th

. >> thank you very much, congressman james clyburn. always good to have you on the program. >> thank you so much for having me. >>> we are waiting for the president to arrive at the u.n. we are told that he has left. we've already seen ambassador powers coming in. so as we wait, i want to bring in our company, joel ruben, director of policy and government affairs and a former state department officer. bobby gosh is "times" international editor and usa today's washington bureau chief susan page. good to see all of you, good morning. >> good morning. >> people don't usually sit around with bated breath waiting for the latest speech at the u.n. this is different. this is a really big deal today. what are we anticipating here? >> today is different. diplomacy is back. right now we're witnessing an international engagement with 190 countries, and the president will be speaking to them. he'll also be speaking to the american people about what his vision is for the next several years. and then interestingly, he'll be speaking to the iranians