at least we shouldn't. >> very thought provoking point indeed, congressman james clyburn. thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> thank you so much for having me. >> well, you heard congressman clyburn. he says this isn't unusual and people do need to be heard. >>> my next guest is a former gop congressman who has a very different message for his party. it's grow up. >>> well, a shutdown narrowly averted again only to create a breakdown in republican ranks. today one former republican congressman has a message for his party. grow up. former south carolina representative bob ingles joins me now. i read your very compelling op ed in which you have a strong message for your colleagues in the house and republican party to grow up. i wonder if that is your message to them and to matt gaetz in particular. >> yes, it is. you can't expect to get exactly what you want in congress and to do so is to misunderstand that it's out of many one. that's our national motto. so he's really sort of missing the point of that i think and acting a little bit like an authoritarian separa

we will figure out a way to talk about this too, with congressman james clyburn, who had every right in the world to think he had seen it all until today. >> nobody has seen it all, apparently, with this house republican conference. unusual is one word for it, my friend. one word for it. >> thank you, alex. >> have a great show. >> matt gaetz, the 42-year-old republican congressman who overthrew the speaker of the house today, had not been born yet when republican ronald reagan began running against government. ronald reagan was the first republican president to be rhetorically and only rhetorically anti government. the last republican president, elected before reagan, richard knutson, was a very conservative republican. but he believed in the government's capacity to solve problems. nixon willingly signed the legislation creating the environmental protection agency. richard nixon pushed a health care bill in congress that was structurally similar to the bill president nixon would try to an act, and president obama -- the republican president before richard nixon knew that government

joining our discussion now is democratic representative james clyburn of south carolina who served aser house speaker nancy pelosi. he's now assistant democratic leader in the house. thank you very much for joining us, congressman clyburn. i know you've seen everything in the house, and now you've seen a little more in the house. what happens next? >> thank you very much for having me. what happens next is that if we meet again at 11:00 in the morning, there will be a quorum call and after which we'll have another vote on trying to elect a speaker. i would hope that after all of this time, that the leadership of the republican party will sit down in earnest, with leader jeffries, who has been extending an offer time and time again to reach a bipartisan path forward. so that the people of this country that have their business attended to. right now we cannot get to the attendance of that business, simply because the republicans seem to be picking their politics over the people's interest. and we -- to see us working together as democrats and republicans, trying to get the security of t

james clyburn next. well new, tonight republican congressman matt gaetz filing a motion to remove kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. now mccarthy is the first speaker in more than 100 years to face this kind of challenge, this comes on the back of mccarthy managing to reach a deal, and a 45 stopgap bill to head off a government shutdown with of course the help of a democrat. now sources tell cnn, mccarthy will need to rely on democratic votes in order to keep that gavel. here's congressman gaetz earlier tonight. >> he doesn't have my support anymore, and he doesn't have the support of a requisite number of republicans to continue as the republican speaker. now he may continue as the house speaker, he may continue as a speaker of the democrats, and some sort of yunnan party coalition, but he is not going to be a speaker in power as a consequence of republican votes. >> well if you thought things and it there, mccarthy posted to platform acts, bring on. gates replied, just did. joining me now to discu

congressman james clyburn of south carolina, really appreciate the time this evening.nks so much. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you, sir. >>> coming up, we will go back to israel. the idf says it has conducted dozens of strikes on hamas targets there. our special coverage continues next. >>> you are live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm jim acosta in washington joined by my colleague erin burnett, who is live in te

i also want to acknowledge him for the contributions of the honor of both brother comes one james clyburn clyburn. it was this righteous brother who was the first chair of the board. an early staunch advocate for this museum. sure, having the carolina gold gallery named after their brother, congressman wolf, fought every time him to this great museum. it will stand among his county list accomplishments for his for our country. i'm not gonna stop there and for our world brother. congress smiling. it's not from the. it's not from middle is from the bottom of our hearts that we thank you and i want to. brother professor ibarra, artist bernard powers. why. for his important work, the academy. work that center in teaching and learning about that profoundly peculiar institute that enslavement of millions of african people. but we also to acknowledge and thank you, brother. professor, for your work as. the interim president of this museum. now, when we think about the work of all of these individual on this long journey from the very idea of this museum to this day, then i've just got to lift up

joining me now to discuss all this and more is congressman james clyburn of south carolina. atic leader. mr. clyburn, if you have thoughts about mike pence, feel free to share them. i am actually more interested in if congress is ever going to do a little bit more to address this just unfettered access to guns in our society. i just think that is something on the minds of so many people out there. but if, you want to weigh in on mike pence, feel free. >> thank you very much for having me. i -- mike pence and deal with what is on your mind, because it's online as well. -- down today, and i was in the vicinity of emmanuel the third and 12 -- people i see here, the national -- this afternoon, and some discussion came up about the issue that we have with gun safety and ownership in this country. we are in a very bad place, and we need to do something about this. so, i was saying in the discussion with two or three people last night about what happens over in australia, that there was a mass shooter like this. how did the country react? they reacted in such a way, they have not ha

co-chairs congressman emanuel cleaver and congressman james clyburn, vice chair, admiral howard, judge richard gergel, brigadier general donald. and watching home ambassador john estrada. i'd like to thank the truman civil rights symposium planning committee the library of congress and dr. carla hayden for not only allowing us to use this building for our event but also participating in tonight's program. the truman library and staff and board all they do to advance my grandfather's legacy and. our symposium sponsors they're all listed in your program with a special thanks to our title sponsor, boeing and presenting sponsor cp kc. oh, thank you all. applause please for our. my grandfather is often called an unlikely civil rights champion and not without reason. but 75 years ago, facing a reelection campaign, his first chance to win the presidency, he championed the very cause that could have spelled defeat. he had this to say about win lose, draw. the people will. where i stand in response to brutality that world war two veterans faced in their own. my grandfather put aside political c