emily: james damore was recently fired at google for writing a memo in which he claimed that men areore biological suited to computers than women. do you think that mistaken assumption or toxic assumption is part of the problem? melinda: i think we all have a bias. i think we need to get under the hood, and figure out, how do you create change by designing it out of the system? yes, i think if you are in one culture that looks a particular way, where it looks like only a white male can get ahead, who went to an ivy league university, you will make more bias into the system. where as if we design a system where there are different pathways in we look at the , environment, how to design it, you look at how do you spawn innovation for women and women of color, you will start to change the system. emily: in the last few years, you have really recommitted to being a champion for women in technology, in particular. is there a specific moment or reason when you realized someone had to speak up for women in tech and that person could be you? melinda: i think, a few years ago -- i have been d