james duderstadt, the president emeritus of the university of michigan. we put the michigan people together. and we have michael crow, also past president of michigan state herson, past president of michigan state. we have seen a lot of university presidents. shortly after the sullivan fiasco at the university of virginia, -- i am tamar lewin from the new york times -- i was talking to a lot of past and present presidents of universities, and possibly the most passionately frustrated with the past president of the university of wisconsin. she said, it was so much easier to run the department of health and human services then the university of wisconsin because i have the power to do something. as the university's head, people do not understand we do not have the power. all we can do is try to push and pull and persuade. thinking about that together with some of the ones that have run into real problems. it was not an accident that happened. it was not missed communication with the board. it was a real structural difficulty about should be a candidate be f

and president james duderstadt made a good point about the fact that we are not trying to privatize, but we are trying to become self-sufficient on the privatization on the public side of the academic structure here. but i think what the bottom line is is that the public have because of their social responsibility to land grants and other state appropriations and connections, a sense of responsibility to serve a greater part of the population. and i think that it's not just the application do what they decide to pursue in terms of their research, but also how big they pursue it. the research issue is certainly going to be something that plays out across the academic culture. it will reach across the globe. >> public research universities produce something like 85% of undergraduates in the nation. the majority of the graduate students have something like 60% of research. it has been pointed out that the entire undergraduate student body of all the ivy leagues of the public universities, i think it is important for the public to realize that teaching is only -- i mean this is pointing