and you know we spoke to james elder of the united nations children's fund unicef in eastern and southern africa and we asked him what is being done to protect children in the pandemic one of the big things that you need as a response you know you of course you have the whole kline's and you have people that can indicate it but as we've seen in rich countries getting money to the poorest people getting money in the hand has proven over the last decade or more to be hugely successful people will take that money and lampel far they will you know they will ensure that there's more food on the table they'll find more resources to enjoy someone else to keep their business elegant so you're giving money to the poorest people but countries like south africa and kenya have been able to do it there a little bit wealthier relative to others other countries can't and that's why when you've got things like the g. 20 is looking it up 5 trillion. package for its countries as little as 5 percent of that would be probably one of the most impactful positive things that could be done in the african contine

we go through this with james elder who's a reasonable communications chief with u.n. children's fund unicef in east and southern africa and he joins us from nairobi welcome to the w. with schools and well fast centers closed and welfare budgets squeezed how sure how do child protection agencies go about detecting this increased abuse well the 2 main ways are a door to door there is a great community facility that's already set up and as much as there are a lot downs and curfews a lot of places have that ability and then there are phone lines their phone lines are put on 40 days literally being really off the hook so there is still means but it's about detecting and then what we're seeing is those big spikes addressing it is only going to come when you reduce the stresses when mums and dads can go back to work because they don't have a reservoir savings and when kids can go back to school as you as you were listening there previously those are the things otherwise we are looking at a much longer problem and how that night a much bigger effect on kids can be infected by

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