we bring in james fishback, a former high school debater and debate coach.the free press, in which you said the debate judging has become intolerant of certain ideas. you wrote, the decline has continued from a competition that rewards evidence and reasoning to one that punishes students for what they say and how they say it. what's going on here? >> it's really, really troubling, john. i couldn't agree more with justice jackson and her remarks earlier. high school debate taught her, taught me, justice gorsuch, senator warren, so many people about self-confidence, presentation, being able to lean in. the problem today is what you talked about in an earlier segment, viewpoint censorship. before the debate rounds, judges share their paradigms, online blog posts that detail their political ideologies. before the round, the student knows they're being judged by someone, quote, a leninist metr. if you argue for capitalism, you will lose. >> a judge said, leila lavender said, quote, before anything else, including being a debate judge, i'm a leninist/maoist. i wil

james fishback is a founder of incubate debate. he joins us now. you didn't lose. you're still winning. i got no clue what's going on. 36 hours ago i published this article in the free pass. i just saw the center of the organization, the national speed and debate association put out a statement. they're not firing or banning any of those judges. they're not condemning their views. they launched a belonging and inclusion office which excites potential violations as a judge miss engendering a student in the round. they're not taking this seriously. we've got to bring free speech back to high school debate. >> you know, i guess this is a reflection of how old i am. i thought debate was a mixture of content and delivery. if you don't like the rationale for the person before you you can take off points.the notion if you use certain words you will automatically lose. that's a new one to me. >> it's a new one. shocking a lot of people. when you can get larry summers and ted cruz both of which pointed out the article and support event to agree something is

james fishback is the founder of incubate debate and he joins us now. what in the world is goingause s on here? you know, you didn't lose trey ,but you're still winning. i've got no clue what's going. on . what i wili got nol say is , thirty six hours ago, i published this article in the free pass . i just saw that the center of the organization, the national speech and debate association, just put out a statement. they're not firing or banning any of those judges. they're not condemning their views. ours agoublished tthey launched and inclusion office which cites potential violations as a judge. mr inclus. gendering, a student in the round. they are not taking this seriously. we've got to bring free speech back to high school, debate. goo >> b you know, i guess thisbate. is just a reflection of how ol d i my thought debate was like a mixture of content and delivery. old i am and if you don't like like like the the rationale for the person before you , you can take off points. but the notion that if you useei certain words, you're going to automatically