james forrestal, the very first one, matt panera, schlesinger, rumsfeld in his second tour. several others i call firefighters. people who were totally consumed dealing with short term problems that beset either the pentagon or the administration when they served. people like willie johnston under harry truman or clark clifford who follow. [applause] panera under lyndon johnson. laird under nixon. it rumsfeld his first time around. these were men who could not impose their vision because they were so tied up solving short-term problems. and then the broad number of secretaries that i call team players, people who did their job and saw their job as basically keeping defense problems of the front pages and away from the white house. and they worked fairly to allegedly with their colleagues. now, and looking at some of these secretaries i discovered there were some of unsung heroes. i will mention them to you. there are people who deserve more praise than they did. mcnamara's predecessor under eisenhower, thomas gates, really laid the basis for the reforms that mcnamara was abl