joining us is james galvan, a professor at ucla. we he had a guest on earlier that suggests there are limits to what air power can do and it may be too little too late. what is your perspective? >> well, it depends on what you want the air power to do. i think it has already accomplished certain things. for example, it certainly strengthened to know that the americans are on their side. it has been able to take out not much but certain amounts of artillery. the thing that is important about this, you have to understand that isis or the islamic state in iraq and the levant or the islamic state is very small in firms of money. 8,000 to 10,000 people. they're stretched out all over, and may be hard to hit. >> what do you take about members of the islamic state has massacred thousands of people and threaten to kill anybody who tries to come down. >> isis has allowed christians to convert to avoid being killed in attacks. in the case of the yzaidis as being devil worshipers. for that reason alone they want to commit genocide against this

. >> i think helene was right to say that the brutal murder of james foley has to some extent galvanized opinion and maybe governments to make us feel we have actually got to look fresh at what more we can do with our regional partners, not just on our own, to fight back. i think there are a number of different options on the table. we are not at the moment being invited to do more than we are at the moment. they want training, they want equipment, they want political support. we're trying to help the iraqi government get established. but i think we've got to look afresh at what it takes to push back against this brutal organization give what they do and the threat they pose to the local countries, to our friends, and to our own national security. >> we can't forget, richard, other than american journalist is hanging in the balance here. you had been taken hostage and it was the same group that originally took james foley that then handed him over to isis. tell us a little bit from your perspective about what happens now and the whole conversation about whether paying ransom and some oth

james, should the u.s. actually try to work with assad or even putin or iran to try -- i mean, you are trying to pick the worst of everything and get everybody to galvanizeund them. is that a wise move? >> well, that was actually the one part of the president's press conference which was actually pretty good where he said look, assad is not the future of this region. he is as evil. you heard the thing, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. well, in the middle east, the enemy of my enemy happens to be be my enemy. assad and iran are huge threats to not just our interests but to the future of that region. the fact is that you have to be as much working against them as isis. they are all equally bad threats to us. >> people are very very worried about the fact that there are young americans and young brits drawn to isis europeans. i happen to think it's a great thing. in fact, i would like america to sponsor a terrorist transport program where we encourage young extremists to fly to syria for whatever reason and when we get they get there we kill them. it's like a long distance skeet competition. what would be your solution to this kind of boomerang terrorism