they say this case goes far beyond any of the famous spy cases we know, aldridge james, robert hansen. what snowden has done with the leaks through the press is he's put the intel playbook out there for everyone to see. so when your adversaries and your opponents and the terror groups, well, how does the u.s. do this, what are the tripwires, when they have all of that information, what do they do? they adjust. that forces us to adjust. so we'll eventually get all of this back with new capability. but right now, this is a security lag and that's dangerous. >> what do you think the point was of our nation's intelligence chief, general clapper, calling on snowden to return these documents and accusing, also and saying his accomplices, which was really a vague reference to the press. >> right, it wasn't all that vague, norah. i think it looked desperate, to be honest with you. the government is frustrated. they can't do anything. short of convincing russia to grab the guy and help us he's beyond the reach of the u.s. government. so now they're reduced to basically begging him to come back