i'm going to explain why madison was right, james madison of the princeton class of 1776. >> charlie:. >> 77, something like that. >> charlie: and your boogieman was the class of. >> 1879. i'm going to demonstrate with irrefutable logic the superiority of madison to wilson. >> charlie: come to this table and talk about it. >> i will. >> charlie: enjoyed it. a pleasure.

to this town to burn the white house and james madison the only president of the united states first of all the father of the constitution but also the only person the united states to leave the white house to lead troops into battle. i mean think about that for a minute is that a compromise in the war of eighteen twelve i don't think so i don't recall you know abraham lincoln compromising with jefferson davis or robert e. lee it's a few years but he kept their butts right across the country wasn't a compromise i don't recall f.d.r. compromising with adolph hitler or dwight eisenhower for that matter alternately became president he was he was f.d.r.'s prime general in world war two neither did churchill churchill that was the guy who compromised was neville chamberlain remember he came you probably don't i go most people aren't old enough to remember but the story we all know it never chamberlain came back with me with that words of oh we can have peace in our time we've worked out a compromise you know. it wasn't it was churchill who said no i'm not going to compromise i don't recal

he tells the story of being at the bedside when james madison died. he also tells the story of how dolly madison reneged on the deal that he was supposed to be freed after james madison past. -- passed. for primarily economic reasons, dolly did not free him immediately. so he had to work to earn enough to buy his freedom a few years later. >> because of you, i got on the internet and found the memoir, which is available to anyone who wants to see it. it is very short. a number of stories popped out of there. did he not end up paying dolly madison's bills at the end of her life? >> yes. as he talks about, she fell upon very hard times. when someone leaves the presidency, they're pretty much guaranteed some kind of security for the rest of their lives. but that was not the case during that time. so her friends and her family basically abandoned her. although she did him wrong, he felt some compassion, some human compassion, and he writes in his memoir that he would often visit her and bring her food, probably give her some money when he had it. so he loo

he was enslaved to the madisons james and dolly. by the time he was 10 years old, he was working at the white house. this was good because he happened to be there in 1814 when the white house was burnt down when the british invaded and burnt the city down including much of what was in the white house. he was there on that day when further down the road, the british were burning and looting and headed to the waus. the white house staff both slave and unslave were trying to grab whatever they could. we know this story because in 1865, paul jennings wrote a short memoir. one of the first of someone that actually worked in the white house. he tell that's story of being at the bedside when james madison died. he also tells the story of how dolly madison reniged on the deal that he was supposed to be free after jachls passed. probably for financial reasons, dolly didn't release him immediately. he had to work and save to buy his freedom a few years later. >> i found that memoir. it's short. a number of stories come from there. at the end

james madison's a very interesting character. he was, obviously, the father of the constitution and a co-writer of the federalist papers. but he also was sort of the founder of modern politics with jefferson. he founded what was then called the republican party but is now the democratic party. >> john sherer, you publish both basic books and nation books. we've talked about two conservative authors and nation books would tend to be on the liberal side, i guess. >> that's right. >> is that -- what's that like, being the publisher for thomas sowell and nation books? >> it's rewarding. we tend to be agnostic politically. we want authors who are idea-driven, and you actually find that the publicity is very similar. as long as people are doing in the field of ideas, a very consistent kind of publishing actually. >> when it comes to the so-called transition that publishing is in now with e-books, etc., how does that affect your day-to-day life? >> it's been, i think it's been interesting. the publishing business was very stable for the

well you know model is what james madison or accident judge john adams used to refer to as ockers what i really advocating is thomas jefferson's vision of our democracy after the supreme court's decision in marbury vs madison jefferson who was then president went ballistic and eighteen zero four he wrote the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional or what not not only for themselves in their sphere of action but for the legislative and executive also in their spheres would make the judiciary a despotic branch jefferson also seven hundred nineteen if the judiciary is the last resort in relation to the other departments of the government then indeed is our constitution a complete fellow to so that's latin for a suicide pact the constitution jefferson said this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the of the judiciary which they may twist and shape into any form they may please and today they've twisted that ball of wax into a corporate charter for the conquest of america and eight hundred twenty jefferson wrote this about where the

as pointed out, and there's a quote from james madison, "a stand in military force with a long executive will not be companions to liberty. the born danger has been always the instruments of tyranny at home. for example, number of american soldiers died in combat last year, 455, minimum number committed suicide, 407 #. listen to this one -- number of american civilians die dying worldwide in terrorist attacks last year, eight. more have died struck by lighting. tobacco kills 550 million people per year around the globe. i wish every time c-span has one of these quackers on here, get john on here to rebutte them. >> host: let's not resort to name calling. take his point and dissect it a little bit. >> guest: there's a number of documented cases. we have seen home grown terrorism with international week every two to three weeks since january 2009. i can't argue the facts, just lay them out, and you decide whether it's overblown or not. there's a difference between a series of car accidents and terrorist attacks. a terrorist attack is an act of violence to promote a political end, and that'

spectacle and a three-ring circus, as someone put it, the show's impressarios are none other than james madison and alexander hamilton. our messily political system is working exactly the way our founders intended it to." then i go toward the end of their op-ed piece. "the key point has been made" -- excuse me. let me start a paragraph ahead. "rarely in our system do the participants, whether in the white house, senate or house, achieve all or even most of their goals in a single political battle. but the key point has been made, few now suggest that we can continue on our current spending binge. that is the beginning of a consensus and a good start towards genuine change. the framers would be pleased at the spectacle." i thank the chair, and i yield the floor. a senator: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from georgia is recognized. a senator: i commend the senator for his remarks. mr. isakson: i associate myself with what he said and i will support this bill when it comes to the floor at 12:00 today. on saturday i came to the floor at 2:00 out of frustration and made a speech c

barbara was supposed to have his commission all over to him and jefferson told james madison don't deliver and therefore it won't be legal and he won't be able to be just at the base or whatever it was it was he and so marbury sued marbury vs madison and jefferson had his own confrontation with the supreme court there in one thousand zero three and that was the case correct me if i'm wrong when the supreme court said we have the right to strike down laws of the constitution something that had never been done before and jefferson went nuts you know he said if the stands than the constitution's a thing a wax in the hands of the judiciary how did how did roosevelt feel about that and then my follow up question up in advance of what other presidents of had the same kind of confrontations well this is as you have just explained this is a very old argument because back almost in the nation's founding and if you asked roosevelt privately and a number of his aides did in the recorded people in their diaries which i reproduce here. roosevelt felt that the founders had never intended the justices of

toward solving america's problem of never ending wars thomas jefferson once wrote to his friend james madison that we should minimize our permanent military establishment and instead of a national defense force rely on a national draft like switzerland does for example right now and herbert hoover correctly noted old men declare war but it's the youth who must fight and die in the children of our president vice president and members of congress are all obliged to serve in this is why they should be able to buy their way out of it the odds are infinitely higher that our leaders won't speak so easily so glibly about the acceptability of a few casualties and optional wars of choice in places like afghanistan and iraq. our next comment is from twitter next week wisconsin will hold recall elections for their state senate and we've been reporting here on the koch funded americans for prosperity voter suppression tactics they mailed absentee ballots to democrats in wisconsin with instructions to return them by august eleventh when the election's actually august ninth negreanu tweeted us when this ca

james madison was basically a pay in and out a check and balance each other. good people are going to disagree about important questions of our time. i am sick to death of this notion that if you're doing something for the kids that there is one right answer. they should be encased in the debate because we have honest disagreements. we should have respect for one another. they have a massively over estimated how technically skilled we are in is point. treing complex systems. this is a progressive era. there are enormous opportunities to identify we performers. i think we can agree on that. we can use talent. it is very muchy using technology. you need to take a large look at existing commitments. the priorities are there. >> we may not agree on what the imaginations look like. there has to be an openness to not the goal of helping all kids achieve them but a great opportunity for them pretty but create a opportunity for them to change their light. this is our goal. this is the biggest agreement. they used peopleifferently, of trying to focus on the valuations

james madison after the proceedings took a very detailed notes of each day's deliberations and speeches. that is the most authority of force on what happened but he kept his notes secret until after he died. they were finally published in 1840, 50 years after the convention. the delegates made fundamental decisions about our society with zero transparency. the constitution itself recognizeds a need for secrecy. requires each house of congress to keep a journal of its proceedings and publish it, quote, accepting such parts as may in their judgment require secrecy. that is an article 1 section v of the constitution. presidents from washington to nixon through. -- through. --bush asserted information from congress within the executive branch. congress blessed the president's classification system which forces executive branch provided to the enforcement of the executive orders and classification and in some cases like criminal penalties. committees and subcommittees in the house and senate meet in executive session and people don't have a clue what business is being transacted. the courts

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the answer -- james madison.presidency, madison left washington for, count them, four months. he took off in june of 1816 and didn't come back until october. >>> we'll be right back with more from our panel. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. [ man ] i got this new citi thankyou card and started earning loads of points. you got a weather balloon with points? yes i did. [ man ] points i could use for just about anything. ♪ ♪ there it is. [ man ] so i used mine to get a whole new perspective. ♪ [ male announcer ] the new citi thankyou premier card gives you more ways to earn points. what's your story? citi can help you write it. >>> developing now as we've been reporting would happen, president obama has just called on syrian president assad to resign, "for the sake of the syrian people." the white house imposing sanctions on syrian government and freezing syrian assets in the united states. obama says the sanctions will prohibit americans from operating or investing in syria. >>> at a michele bachm

bush, the japanese tsunami, the euro, greece, the tea party and republicans and ultimately james madison for giving us separation of powers that does not reflect leadership. >> george was in rare form. i thought you were going to mention the media, you forgot that. truth is the president slipped in large part because he's lost some democrats. look at polls, he's lost five points among democrats, one point with independents and two with republicans. it's clear the president needs to assert himself especially when republicans come back to deal with the jobs creation and super committee. >> that's the place where the hurricane actually hurt him this weekend. they were supposed to have him. they should make note of the opening and formal dedication of e martin luther king memorial on the mall, which is a wonderful moment in history. and would have been a great moment for the president in his shoring up his democrats. >> all right, we have to lever it there. up next, journey to the eye of the storm. matt gutman is on the road with hurricane chasers and the hunt for moammar gadhafi. still on t

and you go to presidential establishments -- mount vernon, monticello, recently montpelier, james madison'some in virginia has become a sort of museum and center -- and here they're wonderful institutions because they have brought together every conceivable object, paper. i know, i've been writing a little bit about the madison house, and they have surveyed all the general region, they've found furniture that madison had owned and touched, articles of clothing, toothpicks, spectacles, everything you can think of. [laughter] and they're all lovingly collected and under glass which i think is wonderful. but if you look at it from a sightly skew as i do, it's kind of interesting, too, the way we retrieve these things. and i think it also, it also belies the idea that americans are not interested in our history. i think we're deeply interested in our history. not every american is as interested in others, but i think our presidential libraries and museums definitely, definitely reflect a national interest in our, in our past. um, now, if you'll forgive a die depression, the reason i mentioned a

when james madison was asked often about the first branch of government, putting together the process of law making, he said that the process of law making is an ugly, messy, difficult process. and mr. speaker, over the last several months, we've seen, as we've been pursuing this day, we've seen an ugly, messy, difficult process. i'm reminded that a couple of summers ago, i was talking with this amazing woman, ellen johnson sirley, first woman to be president any of country on the continent of africa, she's president of liberia. we were talking about the development of parliament in liberia through this great commission that mr. price and i are privileged to lead. when we talked about the ugly, messy, difficult process of law make, the president looked at me and she said, ahh, david, you have forgotten one thing. yes, it is an ugly, messy, difficult possess, but it works. we have so much time and energy and effort expended on partisan bickering, at the end of the day, this for me is a much, much enjoyable time, when we are able to come together, tackling the serious problems that we a

as university of universe professor said if james madison were alive, he may reconsider the checks and balances. power is divided in too many ways. you go through hell it get things done. the talk back question, do we get the government we want or the government we deserve? facebook.com/carolcnn. i will are the more later this hour. >> here's a run down of the stories ahead. a deal on the debt ceiling includes cuts in defense. we will have reaction from troops returning for the frontlines. >>> a collective sigh from the u.s. and how news of a debt deal is ilpacts markets and the u.s. was not the only country faced with the debt ceiling. about the move today and other countries. the fbi has a new lead in a 40-year-old case of d.b. cooper, the only unsolved airline hijacking in american history. family gets this hissing slithering surprise. [ male announcer ] to the seekers of things which are one of a kind. the authentic, the rare, the hard to define. to those always searching for what's pure and what's real from we who believe we know just how you feel. haagen-dazs. aren't getting enou

meanwhile, general james madison has performed an investigation to determine what went wrong in the downinge u.s. helicopter in afghanistan last week. questions remain about why the troops were called in to aid those engaged in a firefight, what they knew about those on the ground, and what role altitude and flight path may have played in the crash. 32 american troops, along with eight afghans, died in that crash. violence continues in britain. after four nights of looting, david cameron says that he will not let a culture of fear take over the streets. he adds that authorities will do whatever is necessary to restore law and order. plans to use water cannons, if necessary. london was relatively quiet last night, but other cities saw looting. the british parliament meets tomorrow for a special session on the rioting. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. >> to route this month, c-span radio will feature lbj tapes. bearing for the first time, this saturday, here president johnson speak with eric dirkson and hubert humphrey about vietnam and the paris peace talks. >> i am go

spectacle and a three-ring circus, as someone put it, the show's impressarios are none other than james madison and alexander hamilton. our messily political system is working exactly the way our founders intended it to." then i go toward the end of their op-ed piece. "the key point has been made" -- excuse me. let me start a paragraph ahead. "rarely in our system do the participants, whether in the white house, senate or house, achieve all or even most of their goals in a single political battle. but the key point has been made, few now suggest that we can continue on our current spending binge. that is the beginning of a consensus and a good start towards genuine change. the framers would be pleased at the spectacle." i thank the chair, and i yield the floor. a senator: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from georgia is recognized. a senator: i commend the senator for his remarks. mr. isakson: i associate myself with what he said and i will support this bill when it comes to the floor at 12:00 today. on saturday i came to the floor at 2:00 out of frustration and made a speech c

next will be the director of africa center and a former professor of justice studies at james madison university. then we will hear from the assistant director for care international, somalia, who recently ran a returned to drought affected areas americans have demonstrated great leadership helping those in need domestically and abroad. i am confident we can partner with the international community. >> welcome. >> i was here in tanzanian and ethiopia. i see firsthand what they do delivering a humanitarian aid as well as care like sustaining technique spherical -- is so critical. i appreciate care being here. and always proud to have a home team here. i am delighted because he can provide insights as an informed reporter. you'll also be able to examine the extremists range that has gone through somalia. the severity of complexity of the region coupled with the u.n. in the united states alone hundred, make this a particularly challenging response. i am delighted that he called this meeting today. when need to work together to bring humanitarian relief to people struggling in a terrible

peter pham of the africa center of -- former professor of justice studies and political studies at james madison university. finally we will hear from wouter schaap, assistant country director of care based in nairobi and returned from a visit to drought affected areas of somalia. i am privileged to highlight the growing urgency of this humanitarian crisis. americans demonstrated great leadership helping those in need domestically and abroad and i am confident we will partner with the international community to save lives and protect future generations in the horn of africa. i appreciate each other witnesses being here and appreciate your testimony. >> i want to welcome all who will testify today particularly wouter schaap from the care usa headquarters in my hometown of atlanta, georgia and many other care people who are here. i have the privilege of being on site with care in kenya and ethiopia and darfur and seen what our energy owns to deliver humanitarian aid as in the case of care, life sustaining techniques people learn to be self sustaining among themselves which is so critical in areas

i know james madison wouldn't have been okay with that. it's certainly not something foreseen by any of the founders. i think even hamilton and his wildest fantasies couldn't have enjoyed this this much. can we bring an end where out of political frustration presidents claim more power and produce more difficulties for themselves politically and also i think produce some unbalance in the national political system. the constitutional implications of this are very large as mitch was indicating with the unitary presidency. i hope you will ask some questions about this and anything else that other people have brought up in the panel. it's been a wonderful experience for me. and we look forward to your questions. [applause] [applause] >> thank you, steve. i clearly am satisfied. for a while at least. it's your turn. we welcome your questions, please come to the microphones. with questions or request to discuss something the panel may not have yet put on the table. don't be shy. please. >> hello, i'm in the national relations major. : would you

account of the constitution and the audacity of hope, obama offers a very incisive reading of james madison who looked at the constitutional convention and reports that everyone who went into the constitution mentioned had a particular vision of what the outcome would be led by the end of every person there have a different vision because of the give and take in philadelphia during that summer. that was the vision of how democracy works. the arguments you hadn't had to deal with before you are forced to think differently and obama sees that explains it in the audacity of hope and as we see during the presidency as the wave of democracy should work. people with different convictions to the different points of view, different understandings of what solutions ought to be tried have to confront each other and experiment with solutions. if the experiment fails you try something else, you don't believe dogmatically that you are -- that you have a formula that yields the public good. the public good emerges from the process of the date, disagreement and the reforming the some of the positions. tha

director of the africa center of the atlantic council and former professor of justice studies at james madison university. finally we'll hear from mr. wouter schapp, assist ant director for care international somalia based into nairobi' recently returned from a visit to drought infected areas. i am pleased to highlight this crisis. americans have demonstrated great leadership helping those in need domestically and abroad and i'm confident we can continue to partner with the international community. i appreciate each of the witnesses being here today and look forward to your testimony. senator isakson. >> thank you, chairman koonce -- coons. i want to particularly thank wouter schapp, headquarter in my hometown, as well as being so many of the care people that are here. i have had the privilege of being on site with care in kenya, tanzania, ethiopia, and darfur in the sudan. and seen first hand what our n.g.o.'s do to deliver humanitarian aid as well as in the case of care, life sustaining techniques that people can learn to be self-sustaining among themselves which is so critical in the areas

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james madison was essentially a paean to the value of the faction and hauer in a free country we checkand balance each other not just the institutions but because the good reasonable people are going to disagree about important questions of our time, and i sick to death of this notion that if you were doing something for the kids that there is one right answer that is a multiple choice. good, smart, reasonable people should be engaged in these debates because the of honest disagreement of what is in the best interest of the kids and how to get their and i think we should be able to disagree vigorously but with respect for one another. a couple points of agreement i think are pretty clear. at least one is i think people who are reformers have a massively overestimated how technically skilled we are at this point in terms of using tests to measure effectiveness and trying to build complex systems of evaluation and pay to relate more or less on top of the scores as currently measured. i think this is an error we made a century ago when the progressive era and we have overshot the mark onc

as james madison described the power of the federal government as, quote, fuel and to find and several 45 while destroying the power of the state's as numerous and indefinite that exists today and largely in theory. tomorrow would like system practice because we, the american voters, will make it so. we, the american voters, have the power to dictate the proper course of our own government so as to preserve our own liberty and our own property, and at the end of the day enhance our own lives. it is my hope and prayer each of us can do this and help spread this message of hope that each of us can tell people that there is a way home that doesn't involve economic destruction. when we look at the fact most of the failed economies, land around the globe over the last 100 years or so has had one thing in common, we should be alarmed the we should be motivated to push for the balanced budget amendment. there are too weak economies who've recently written a book called this time it's different and they studied the economies throughout the world and have said those economies we look at overwhe

james madison drafted the second amendment. his first draft included an exemption from malicious service from conscientious -- mitia service from conscientious obctors. there are strong arguments on the other side. is it surprising that the conservatives who favor gun rights find the understanding to beat for gu rights, and the liberals that do not, find it for militias? i can related personal example, and it is where i got to work with jim. i was the chair of the elected los angeles charter reform commission. it creates the entities of the city government than divides power among the branches and includes individual rights. almost as soon as it was adopted, questions came up about interpretation, things we thought about. the mayor's office, the city attorney's office called me, they still do, saying, "what is the intent of yourommission on this?" if they agree, they say, "will you write a declaration that says that," and if they disagree, they keep going to another commissioner until they get the position -- [laughr] if we rea

peter pham from james madison university. finally, we will hear from wouter schaap. to lead this hearing. americans have demonstrated great leadership both in domestic and abroad. i appreciate each of our witnesses being here today, i look forward to your testimony. >> thank you. i want to welcome all of those who will testify today. i want to particularly thank schaap for being here as well as many of the other cure people. i have had the privilege of being on site in ethiopia, and car for and seeing firsthand what they have done to deliver humanitarian aid as well as lifesaving techniques. it is so critical in areas of that poverty and here is not well educated. i appreciate care being here. i am particularly delighted that he is here because he can provide it inside of security dynamic, without constraints that an ngo must maintain. he will also be able to examine the persistent extremist vein that runs through somalia and the perverse impact at has on the region and international donors. the severity of this situation, coupled with the u.n. and the united states

two of those six were killed: 17-year old james brissette and a 40-year old mentally disabled man, ronald madisonmadison was killed when police chased him and his brother lance who was with him as they tried to find safe haven. lance madison was later arrested and accused of firing at police, according to prosecutors. but today in federal court-- a jury convicted a former police officer-- a retired sargent-- and three current members of the new orleans police department on charges stemming from a cover up. all but one were convicted of civil rights violations stemming from the shootings as well. james brissette's mother spoke of her loss after the verdict. >> they took the twinkle out of my eye. the song out of my heart they blew out of my candles, but it's going to be all right. justice is served. >> woodruff: and lance madison, who lost his brother and nearly lost his freedom, expressed his thanks to the jury >> i am thankful for having some closure after six long years of praying for justice. i am most grateful to my family especially my brother romero. without the support and work of my famil

ronald madison, 40, and 17-year- old james burset were shot and killed by police and four others woundedhis mother expresses her grief. >> they put the twinkle of my eye and blew out my cancel. but it's going to be all right because justice has been served. >> defense attorneys arguing people shot at police during katrina's chaos to protect themselves they returned fire. the sergeants and two officers all found guilty of civil rights violations in the shootings and trying to cover it up. they face possible life sentences. the sergeant also found guilty. >> rampages by police, especially during the most difficult times we face, are inexcusable. >> u.s. attorney generic holden also issued a statement saying he hopes the verdict will help restore public trust in the new orleans police department all five officers are facing life terms. they're scheduled to be sentenced in december. >>> it's called a back-to- school terror plot. three louisiana teenagers are in jail this morning accused of planning a shooting spree for their first day of school on monday. the three 15-year-old boys attended

james hines. they all came from bowling green, kentucky. these four fellows after taking up a while with john porter's uncle, decided to try to go home. they walked from madison, georgia to atlanta. atlanta was burned and destroyed. they went through atlanta and managed to higher a wagon, read a wagon and they take this wagon all the way to chattanooga. at chattanooga's they find they can hitch a ride on a freight train. they get on a freight train to nashville. at national they get off the freight train. they're afraid they'll get spotted by occupation forces but they managed to secret themselves on another train from nashville to bowling green and on june 10th, 1865, these four guys lined up in bowling green, kentucky in the home of edward hines, jim hines and john heinz's mother's house. there is a stay until john porter decides to say goodbye and he walks to his home in sugar growth in butler county about 20 miles to the west. that is how the war ends for him. bet viewers would get a kick out of knowing that edward ludlow hines was john porter's cousin and one of the three brothers. he had a son whose name was duncan hines and that is the one you see at y

hines and james hines and they all came from bowling green kentucky and so these four fellows after taking a while with jon porter's kunkel decided they would try to go home. they walked from madison georgia to atlanta, and of course atlanta had been burned, destroy. they go through atlanta and they managed to hire a wagon, a wagon from somewhere, and they take this wagon all the way to chattanooga, and at chattanooga they find they can hitch a ride on a freight train. they get on the freight train to nash phill. at national they get off the street train they are afraid they are going to get spotted by some occupation forces, but they managed to secret themselves on another train from national to bowling green, and on june 10th, 1865, these four guys wind up in a bowling green kentucky in the whole of edward hines, jim hines and john hines mother's house, and there they stay on till john porter finally decides to say goodbye, and he walks to his home at sugar grove in butler county about 20 miles to the west. and that's how war and as for him. but i think that the viewers will get a kick out of knowing that edward himes, who was john porter's cousin and one of the three brothers,

james hines. they all came from bowling green, kentucky. and so these four fellas after taking up a while with their -- with john porter's uncle decided they'd try to go home. and they walked from madison to georgia. they go through atlanta and they lang to hire a wagon. rent a wagon, get a wagon from somewhere. they take the wagon all the way to chattanooga. they find they can hitch a ride on a freight train. they get on a freight train to nashville, at nashville, they get off of the freight train. they are going to get spotted with the forces. but they manage to secret themselves on another train from nashville to bowling green. and on june 10, 1865, these four guys lined up in bowling green, kentucky in the home of edward hines, jim hines, and john hines' mother's house. and there they stay until john porter finally decided to stay good-bye and he walks to his home at sugar gr