larson said on c-span, the 2022 james madison lecture, a lecture with the provocative title was james madison truly the father of the constitution. our lecture is akhil amar, sterling professor of law and political science at yale university, where he teaches constitutional law both in yale college and yale law school. after graduating from yale college, summa cum laude, and from yale law school and clerking for then judge, now supreme court justice stephen breyer, amar joined the yale faculty in 1985 at the tender age of 26. he is now 37 years later. yale's only current professor to have won the university. his unofficial triple crown, the sterling chair for scholarship, the devane medal for teaching and the lamar award for alumni service. his work has won awards from both the american bar association and the federalist society, and he's been cited by supreme court justices in more than 40 cases, as he says in his punchy way, tops in his generation. as an academic, he is patently that rare thing. a true scholar teacher. and not only that, a public intellectual of the best sort, one w

she was invited to play for her president, james madison's dating back to 1813. linda was the first to play it in nearly 200 years. >> we just made history tonight! >> that is amazing. lizzo once had dreams of attending the paris conservatory as a flautist. once she started her singing career, she incorporated her flute in solos. >>> a bay area animal shelter is overflowing with dependable dog lovers needed. peninsula humane society has 15 eyes and husky mixes. this accounts for half of their adoptable dogs. the shelter thinks this bike is due to "game of thrones" fans who first got them because they resembled the show's dire wolves, only to learn huskies can really be a handful. >>> and an update on the journey of two mountain lions we've been following for a long while now. they are settling well in their new southern california homes. they recently moved to a zoo in palm desert after rehabbing in auckland. zookeepers say, the pair are active throughout the day, and they are playing at night. so, so good to see them prosper there. >> they know their names? >> m

it wasn't james madison he thought it was a great idea and not to think of that from the declaration of t independence and nobody really thoughtio about it so when george w. bush was elected president of the united states during the inaugural ceremonies the predecessor serving for 28 years was at a reception right before the inauguration and laura bush said we have a book festival in texas and you have one in washington and he said we will. [laughter] so that began the national book festival if anybody remembers that at the mall. [applause] was quite something you had to worry about the weather and rain from time to time. and eventually they said maybe you are ruining this permanently and then able to get the washington dc government at the convention center. it is one of the things that is amazing having between 150 and 200,000 people at the book festival it's an incredible number of people and then the last time we had in person in 2019 people were camping out at 4:00 a.m. to get in because one of the features then was ruth bader ginsburg and was interviewed and at that time there

james madison -- and this is the one of the most telling remarks madison perhaps ever made, and he wrote this in a letter memorably. we're in a wilderness without a single footstep to guide us. james madison who was in a sense the closest to a embodiment of a guiding spirit that the first congress had. i'll speak of him again in a minute. madison feared that no one would show up. if you read his letters, and i want to mention parenthetically because some of you may already be aware of this, there was a marvelous project, the first federal congress project, which was founded as long as 50 years ago and just recently completed the 23rd volume of the collected papers of the first congress, not online, unfortunately, but makes fabulous reading for anybody who really wants to know what the founders were talking about when they were trying to do the work. anyway, madison feared that nobody would show up, there wouldn't even be a quorum, and his letters from that period arh to begin with and you read his letters, he's on the brink of collapse, that it was all going to be a fizzle at the start.

so dolly madison is very sort of authentic personality became a tool of policy for james madison, and she also used fashion and my form of the media because the media at the time didn't do things like you're talking about we're observers, so i would when i was researching dolly madison, i was terribly interested in her outfits and and people's reaction to her and everybody wrote about her. so if you went to one of these parties you saw on the street you wrote home about it, and i enjoyed all of reading all of these descriptions of the outfits and the way she was with people and then i realized that these were not just celebrity mentions that these were actually a form of political analysis because they were looking at her and evaluating her is whether she was the of the right. ruling class. is this a proper person and one of the things that dolly did is she wrote that line that i sort of mentioned between, you know republican virtue exemplified by james madison who was such a non-entity that he got lost in his own parties. and queen dolly who swanned around and fantastical outfits. so

officers made an arrest that james madison middle school last month because of an incident involving a firearm and stabbing. >> the oakland unified school district is pleading with the community to put the weapons down. this is not the way to do it. >> it could be you. it could be your friends your loved ones. your family. this can affect everyone. and we wanted to stop. >> there was significant damage caused on the school's campus because of shots fired as well as from police went to force their way into each classroom to check for victims and search for suspects. usd says the campus will remain closed until repairs are finished. reporting the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt kron 4 news. thank you, robin. this all comes as the alameda health system is reporting a stark rise in gun violence just over the past 3 years. take a look at this data from highland hospital. they're now treating twice as many patients for gunshot wounds as they did in the previous 2 years. hospital officials say that the upward trend began during the covid pandemic and is projected to remain high through this year.

. >> officers responding to an incident last month that james madison middle school almost a month and a half ago but died in a stabbing firearm involved in it in an effort to prevent another 9-1-1. call from inside a classroom. the oakland unified school district is pleading with the community to put the weapons down. this is not the way to do it. >> it could be you. it could be your friends your loved ones. your family. this can affect everyone. and we wanted to stop. >> the king estate campus was closed today and according to the oakland unified school district will remain closed until the damage caused during the shooting. he's repaired reporting live in the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt kron 4 news. rob, thank you. the president of the oakland unified school district board of education sent a letter to the community on the shooting. >> it reads in part, quote, we are grateful for those who acted with courage and professionalism for the care for the wounded and traumatized. and for those who ensure that our children were safely reunited with their families and caregivers, we hope for a

thankfully no injuries were reported. >>> the woke board in charge of montpelier where james madison very. historians say building the memorial on madison's virginia plantation would upend the founding father's leg goo sy. this is the first time a national slavery monument has been proposed. plans to build one in washington, d.c. if he through in congress back in 2003. those are the headlines. so -- pete: interesting there were initial reports that board got blow back they would reorient towards james madison. they go quite ate little bit and move on with the plans. rachel: i wonder will have giant sign democrats for keeping slaves t was the republicans, not or if the memorial will celebrate all the white americans who died on behalf of freeing slaves. pete: i think they let you write the words for the memorial. rachel: yeah, sure. will: one million pills, phoenix police arrest two people in the largest fentanyl seizure in the deet's history. dr. marc siegel explains how lethal the drug is becoming for america's youth. ♪. no matter who you are, being yourself can be tough when you hav

and i think it's what james madison would've wanted. in the bill of rights, "you're 100% that bitch!" this was so cool. and lizzo really put it into context: >> we just made history tonight ( cheering ) thank you to the library of congress for preserving our history and making history freaking cool. history is freaking cool, you guys. >> stephen: wow. what an incredible gift to every dorky social studies teacher in america: "well, kids, i'm not the only one who thinks history is freaking cool. i know a certain lady who agrees. her name is lie-zo. now it's-- about dang time to turn your textbooks to page 92, 'the battle of ticonderoga.'" we've got a great show for you tonight! later i'll be talking to star of the movie, "smile," but when we come back, mr. anderson cooper. ♪ ♪ ♪ ( applause ) kevin: i've fought wildfires for twenty years. here's the reality we face every day. this is a crisis. we need more firefighters, more equipment, better forest management to prevent wildfires and reduce toxic smoke. and we need to reduce the tailpipe

got onstage and literally played the flute from james madison from 1813 when she was in town.it, she took them up on the offer, and the rest as they say is literally history. black people playing a american artifact a copy of u.s. constitution, a shout out to the american philosophical society. p.s., democracy belongs to all, of us people. >> you're from philadelphia. you're gonna go try ring the liberty bell, aren't you? all y'all are trying to get me artifacts. >> welcome to american history. >> i am to tell you, i love you, but tonight i have to side with erin haines. my vote as well is lizzo. lizzo won the week. it's not just that she played at this concert and played this historic flute. my hairdresser coco her mom was there, it was a mother's day president, it was empowering. it's the freak out. it's the freak out on the right that makes it just kiss sweet. let me give you the back story. the library of commerce reached out to liz or when they found she was coming to d.c. for the concert. she's a classically-trained flutist. you visited the library of and played multiple

when she played a 200 year old crystal flute that once belonged to president james madison. yeah.t's a really cool way to bring attention to american history. yeah, because now students will know that james madison was that guy who did a collab with lizzo, you know? in education news, an indiana teenager just learned that he was the only student in the world this year to get a perfect score on the ap calculus exam. yeah. very impressive. (applause) what is even crazier is that the kid sitting next to him had the second best score in the world. what are its chances. think about it, though, the only person in the world with a perfect score. do you have any ideas what the odds of that are? i don't. the kid does, that is how smart he is. i don't know. and from the world of fine dining, mcdonald'ss has launched a limited edition series of happy meals for adults. yeah, yeah, and look, i know there are adults who are nostalgic for happy meals, but it is not the cheap plastic toys you cherish. it is that memory of your dad pick you up from school and then surprising you with a trip to mic

and it's interesting argument because people like james madison alexander hamilton, they were all for a majority role and if you think about the filibuster, it's a super majority thing where you need 60 in the old age. you need 67 to proceed on certain types of business. so this is kind of conflict between the concept of what's called majoritarianism where the majority should rule in most cases, but clearly the founders intended for congress to establish their own rules. what is your position as editor-in-chief at the national constitution center? i have a really cool job and i get to work with the constitution every day and i run a blog called constitution daily, which we've had in some form i think for about 10 years. i've been to editor of that blog for the past eight and a half years since i joined we have about 500,000 monthly readers and we talked a lot about history and some current constitutional topics and i kind of wrangle or i'm the editor. that was a product so i write for it and i do other stuff and i'm also involved with a lot of the digital work that we do. we are an ex

it says james madison's critique of the senate still holds.ames madison is called the father of the constitution and he wanted seats in the upper house to be based on population and elements that the quality for each state was placed beyond the reach of amendment. that is in the wall street journal. michigan on the democrats line. caller: good morning, mimi. host: good morning. caller: i would get rid of the electoral college, because we have had two presidents in the last 20 years who have been put into office without having -- with having fewer votes than their opponents. one was george bush, who was completely incompetent. and now we have donald trump, who appears to be a criminal. you can't have a president elected with fewer votes than the opposition and call this a democracy if that happens. this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. that is my comment. thank you. host: all right. let's talk to warren next from brandon, florida on the democrats line. warren? caller: yes. i think when we are talking about the constitution i think it

it says james madison's critique of the senate still holds.es madison is called the father of the constitution and he wanted seats in the upper house to be based on population and elements that the quality for each state was placed beyond the reach of amendment. that is in the wall street journal. michigan on the democrats line. caller: good morning, mimi. host: good morning. caller: i would get rid of the electoral college, because we have had two presidents in the last 20 years who have been put into office without having -- with having fewer votes than their opponents. one was george bush, who was completely incompetent. and now we have donald trump, who appears to be a criminal. you can't have a president elected with fewer votes than the opposition and call this a democracy if that happens. this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. that is my comment. thank you. host: all right. let's talk to warren next from brandon, florida on the democrats line. warren? caller: yes. i think when we are talking about the constitution i think it ou

when jackson sees this sort of almost pacification that he feels like he's receiving from james madison, jackson then begins to stop trying to reach out to madison, and instead he reaches out directly to his other generals, william henry harrison for example. he notifies harrison to let him know hey, i am here. tennessee militia is here. we are here to fight on behalf of the nation. send us where you want us. finally, james monroe, for jackson, represents this link now. jackson begins to cultivate this conversation with james monroe. in such a way that it begins to influence madison's own thinking about jackson at this point. really, it is james monroe and many ways who gets jackson pulled into the thick of things in the war of 1812. madison is not going to direct jackson's move toward canada or the great lakes region or the ohio valley, instead he is going to -- against the muskogee people and ultimately to florida and to alabama and new orleans where the war is going to end at that point. i love the two portraits of the men here at this point. again, it is showing them roughly the sam

most notably james madison. james monroe remains a very close friend. thomas jefferson. and for the purposes of our story today, what we also know is that when madison realizes that we do need this thing called the bill of rights, amended to our constitution, one of the first things he does is travel to gunston hall and consult with mason about how best to accomplish that. mason lives long enough to see the bill of rights amended to the constitution and ultimately dies at gunston hall after a very brief illness in 1792. thomas jefferson was the last person to see last visitor to see him before he passed. and unfortunately, monroe was trying diligently to get there, but could not get there in time. so as we think about what all this means in its global context, there are a couple of key things that i'll just share by way of how i would define the global impact. most particularly of the virginia declaration of rights, and i've kind of got this divided down into a couple of different categories. one, it motivated other declarations. you know what? mason was able to do was cl

alyssa, he did one better than playing james madison's 1813 crystal flute at the library.> crystal. [applause] >> ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [applause] >> apparently, there were bodyguards onstage surrounding that flute and we say way to go lizzo, it's about darn time somebody play that thing. and on that absolutely beautiful note, i wish all of you a very beautiful night. from all of our colleagues across nbc news, thanks for staying up with us. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. tonight on all in. seditious conspiracy on trial in d. c.. >> it's either president trump has encouraged and bolstered and strengthened to do what is he was to, or we end up in a bloody fight. we all know that. >> today while the oath keepers defense argument could have missed massive implications for donald trump. >> i'm gonna do everything i can to do to make sure the carry lake is not elected. >> why the threat of democracy in arizona is way more dire than you might think. >> she's a fascist, she's a racist, she's this, she's that.

it took james madison's kick to work david de gea. this time, they didn't need a second.t they're getting. but the home fans have little sympathy. leicester have just one point from five games and modern football moves quickly. no day says that like the deadline. joe lynskey, bbc news. the football association is reviewing an incident where a newcastle staff member appeared to throw an object towards the liverpool technical area during the reds' 2—1 win on wednesday. players and staff from both teams clashed after fabio carvalho's 98th—minute winner at anfield. it's unclear if the incident sparked the melee in front of the dugouts. newcastle declined to comment when contacted by bbc sport. the second round of the women's champions league has been drawn, with two british teams in action at the end of the month. arsenal will face ajax over two legs, while scottish side rangers will play benfica. you can see full details of the draw on the bbc sport website. cameron norrie is into the third round of the us open after straightforward victory win overjoao sousa. seventh seed n

larson said on c-span, the 2022 james madison lecture, a lecture with the provocative title was james madison truly the father of the constitution. our lecture is akhil amar, sterling professor of law and political science at yale university, where he teaches constitutional law both in yale college and yale law school. after graduating from yale college, summa cum laude, and from yale law school and clerking for then

example when jackson sees this sort of almost pacification that he feels like he's receiving from james madison. jackson then begins to stop trying to reach out to madison and instead he reaches out directly to these other generals william henry harrison, for example, and he notifies harrison to let him know. hey, i'm here the tennessee. militia is here. we are here to fight on behalf of the nation. send us we want us. and finally james monroe. for jackson represents this this link now right that jackson begins to cultivate this conversation with james monroe in such a way that it begins to influence madison's own thinking about jackson at this point. and so really, it's james monroe in many ways who gets jackson pulled into the thick of things in the war of 1812 now madison is not going to direct jackson's move towards canada or to move to the right lakes region or the ohio valley instead he is going to point himself against the muscogee people and ultimately to, florida to alabama to new orleans where the war is going to end at that point. i love the two portraits of these men here at this po

it was made in 1813 for president james madison's second inauguration. the classically trained flutist delighted the audience. ♪ thanked the library of congress, telling the crowd -- >> we just made history tonight! >> she is a talented artist. that's "nightline" for this evening. catch our full episodes on hulu. see you right back here same >> building a better bay area, moving forward, finding solutions, this is abc 7 news. >> i had no idea how i was going to get to the hospital. i was bleeding like crazy. >> tonight, real stories inside the campus shooting in oakland. all new video from the school halls. these acts of violence affecting us all and our sense of safety but tonight, how to use this wave of emotions to enact effective change. good evening. i am dion lim. dan: i am dan ashley. we have team coverage devoted to finding the solutions for you. our reporter is hearing from community leaders who are making these calls for change. dion: we begin with j.r. stone in the newsroom with all new video from inside the school once those shots rain now. j

the shooting happened just after recess on monday, august 29th james madison, middle school. that's on the campus of mass and park academy. investigators say the alameda county district attorneys office is charged a 12 year-old student who accidentally fired a gun, injuring another student. well, the student shot has since been treated and released from the hospital. and a bakersfield school supervisfr overdoses on fentanyl after a student brings it to school. this all happening at shipman junior high on friday, 13 year-old student was arrested for allegedly bringing 150 fentanyl pills. the skies as to campus. police say the student was being searched for being involved in an unrelated altercation with another student. somehow the campus supervisor came in contact with the people as well opening and checking the student's bag. police say they did not ingest the pills, the rather they were an inhalation hazard. the child was charged and taken to hall. no word on the supervisors condition at this time. well, there's a new juvenile justice policy in the city of san francisco. an

. >> well, we first pose that question about school police after last month's shooting and james madison middle school council member saying tahoe said she opposes putting more guns in schools. councilmember treva reid said that conversation needed to happen with parents. well, the latest shooting highlights a growing and troubling trend at oakland's highlands hospital where 3 of wednesday, 6 victims are currently being treated. take a look at this graph. according to data from the alameda health system, the trauma team there on average treat it. 23 gunshot wounds. a month that was in 2018. and that number doubled leaving to 46 per month. kron four's terisa stasio spoke to the hospitals ceo about those troubling numbers. the explosion of gunfire steps away from classrooms at east oakland's. >> state's campus sent 3 of the most seriously injured victims to highland hospital. now as patients, they become part of a disturbing trend. a skyrocketing number of people being treated for gunshot wounds. you know, we're seeing in 2018 we're 23 gunshot wounds 2019. >> 24 so very similar. there was

it was made in 1813 for president james madison's second inauguration.ly trained flutist delighted the audience. ♪ thanked the library of congress, telling the crowd -- >> we just made history tonight! >> she is a talented artist. that's "nightline" for this evening. catch our full episodes on hulu. see you right back here same

>> there has been quite a kerfuffle at james madison's home about how to present history and where the right balance is. in your view, where is the right balance? mr. smith: i think you have to be honest of the totality of who someone was. i remember when i was at monticello, i was on a tour with a guy named david. this older white guy, widebrimmed brown hat, professor looking. this was the slavery at monticello tour. the way it operates as they tell -- there is a slavery tour, a house tour, a horticultural tour, the hemmings family tour. jefferson was a dynamic person and had a lot of different interests and different facets to his work in personality. he was outlining, as i did before, so many of the moral inconsistencies of jefferson's work that consisted in his letters. our member watching these two women, donna and grace, listening to david talk about the things jefferson wrote about black people in his writing. their faces were wilting, mouths hung agape. they were unsettled. i went up to the matter and said, i would love to hear about what you are feeling. i always member grace

he put down, working first with james madison and then primarily with alexander hamilton as a warning to his friends and fellow citizens how he addressed them, of the forces he field could rail the democratic experiment going forward. it is one of the most prescient irrelevant documents you can imagine. even though it fell out of favor for a time when it is read today it is a stark warning among other things of the things we will call hyperpartisan-ism, excessive debt, foreign wars, and also suggest some of the pillars of liberty. things we can draw upon to avoid those traps. and remembrance of the promise of national unity. the importance of morality in virtue. the importance of fiscal discipline. the importance of political moderation in foreign policy of independents. that is what i would say. >> these are a lot of teams who are gonna explore tonight. let me turn to you, lindsey. george washington created this text. although as john mentioned there were other authors. can you tell us a little bit about the years leading up to this? this is a moment where he decides not to be presid

>> she later played a crystal flute created for president james madison that dates back to 1833 but theyn't do this in madison's day. she also played the crystal flute at her concert, it's not exactly james galway but i guess if the pied piper can pull a few rats on the other side of the potomac to let her the crystal. >> laura: she's a pretty good flautist, she's pretty good. >> classically trained. you have to give big points to the library of congress carla hayden who tweeted to lizzo to invite her to the library and she got a lot of publicity off of that incredible collection that she curates. >> laura: i will focus on the sound of the flute not the shaking, but the flute i thought was amazing. thank you, i still don't believe the other story. and moments the lab report from one of the worst hit areas in florida plus the rampant crime in portland. oregon is firmly in play for the republicans and of course the next one trying to become governor. christine drazen joins is next. ♪ here goes nothing. hey greg. um...hello? it's me, your heart! really? yes! recording an ekg in 30 seconds.

lizzo later played a crystal flute created forflute president james madison that dateent james back to eighteen thirty three . >> but they didn't do this in madison. s back tdison'all right. how much is the. >> she also played the crystal flute and worked at her concert. laura , it's not exactlyactly james galway. jas galwaybut i guess if the pio can pull a few rats on the other side, the potomac let her blow the crystal. >> well, she's pretty good flutist. just she ver gooy pretty good.rd classically trained. and , you know, you've got to get big points to the librarycaa of congress.hayden who carl hayden, who tweeted toed t lizzo to invite her tocity off the library. and look, she got a lot of of publicity off that incredible se collection that she curateses and takes care. well, i'm focu.s on the sound of the flute, not the shaking, the flute. f i thoughti thought was amazi. thymond, thank you. still don't believe the otherd e story. nt all right. in moments, a live report from e one of the worst hit areas in florida. plus, the rampant crime in portland to the legalizing of hard dru

the basic incentive, like, you know, james madison thought that the legislature would be the most powhe basic and center, like james madison thought that the legislature would be the most powerful entity of all in the three branches. the ability to exercise power, power of the purse, power over the law, he thought that would be absolutely irresistible to members. i think would be baffled by the fact that members frequently delegate authority. they delegate authority up towards leadership, and they delegate authority over towards the executive branch and therefore have grown this massive administrative state. so some of this will be an attitudinal change, but i think also the difficulty that the initial number has in exerting his or her will, why put in the work to try to rein in an agency or change policy if your bill is not going to get out of committee? if it is not going to get called for a vote, and if the senate is going to sit on it. empowering members to get stuff done i think has to be part of the equation. >> just quickly a follow-up for you. you are also talking about there

of football and that year was on the d one double-a level against south dakota state, delaware james madisont of questions in jimmy garoppolo. he will be a free agent. so that is something we're going to have to deal with. we'll hear the cheddar will see theater. we'll get some answers as time goes on. but at the end of the day, we've got trey lance has a speedy recovery because the niners they had to believe at least at one point he had a bright future right now is all looking murky. so like i said, bit of a sobering day for the forty-niners and their fans. but i assure you things can be worse out in las vegas. the tortured raiders fan base, many of whom are still here in the bay area and probably watching this show. i apologize. but man, it was a rough day for you guys. niners fans of you're going through. like i said, this guy, josh mcdaniel, he couldn't crack it in denver and is not inspiring much hope in las vegas. but it was all smiles in the first derek carr finds davante adams. it is 7 to nothing in. they add to the lead here in the second car. throws it up and darren waller jumps up

pop star lizzo got to play james madison's crystal flute, not played in over 200 years.oncert, where she gave a special performance. ♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] >> okay. i love this. i love lizzo. her songs are great. she has a great positive attitude. she plays a classical instrument. she learned how to play the flute when she was a kid. she was in the marching band in high school. she said, thank you to the library of congress for preserving history and making it cool. all the others are saying cancel jamison. i think it's great. >> jesse: i played the plot to when i was a -- the fl flute whi was a child. i did not twerk. >> twerking wasn't a thing when you were a kid. would you have twerked when you were a kid? >> jesse: during my recital, with my parents there. life can be hard times, you have to work long hours, your car gets stuck on the road, but something else can be hard, too, pumping gas. >> honey, that's not going to reach. >> what is she doing? >> no, she's not. >> why is she so afraid to get some clothes. >> she got on the right side this time. >> where i gues

curriculum where they no longer wanted to identify george washington as the fatherer of our country or james madison. >> laura: status coming down. >> no more status coming down but we can teach all of our history and this is where i think the progressive liberals miss this. which is we can in fact teach the good and bad and stand up for parents in the classroom. >> laura: yeah. governor youngkin great to see you congrats on a first eight months and can't great to see what's next >> despite their damaging leaks the justice department has the audacity to request a stay in i lean cannon's approval of the special master in the trump mar-a-lago case. next up our power panel react to that. plus they're going to tell us why former trump attorney general bill barr has it all wrong. so stay there. [upbeat music playing] ♪ welcome to home sweet weathertech home. a place where dirt stays outside. and floors are protected. where standing is comfortable. and water never leaves a mark. it's spotless under the sink. and kids can be kids. order your american made products at weathertech.com. >> the opinion i think

. >> what you're referring to, ten years ago i gave money to help repair monticello and james madison'shen people have gone on tours there. the criticism is that the tours emphasize that these individuals were slave owners. that's not really fair. there's many different tours that go on there. some are for people that want to hear about the slavery, some don't want to hear about it. as a general rule of thumb, people need to know the good and the bad. jefferson was brilliant. they were slave owners and we should recognize that. >> neil: i've not gone to these homes since they've have been refurbished and your hard work there. the readings that you get on them is that the people that conduct the tours, that's the first thing that they get into. is that a mistake? >> that's not true. there's some tours where people say i want to hear about slavery and they get a special tour. the general tour that the average person gets there is not focused on slavery. it's not true. >> neil: so this repackaging of history as critics have called it, you don't subscribe to that? >> well, when you were a b