the big names you hear of hamilton, by james madison john j., the authors of "the federalist papers." those that the grander stand they say it is it. it goes much date -- deeper than that. to say not as important as you think. misstated new york only ratified the constitution by three votes. this the these essays that are the definitive source did not have much impact at the time. of course, james madison is called the father of the constitution but it is the misnomer. he did present the virginia plan but the constitution that we have is not his. it was gone over and over and modified by important people. john dickinson of delaware. he was one of the most important men of the generation. the key yet what james madison had written it, that will not work in these united states. cloris someone like roger sherman is said never said a stupid thing in his life. as a conservative moderating influence he said we're not have a bad. the people will never agree. or john rutledge who would later serve on the supreme court basically wins the war of independence he said no. i will work in south car