our guest are james matthew wilson and joseph bottom. we're talking about civilization where you mentioned civilizations are percolating beneath and couldn't be visible sometimes. that's where people seemed to be living. can you explain to us your institute for cyber ethics? >> yeah, the state's computer college told me to start up a little and do cyber ethics and apply the humanities to which we are now 40 years again. we're 40 years into the computer revolution. >> it's altered every profession and i don't think we're getting enough actual analysis of what that means. in particular, we keep seeing ethnical problems emerging as a result of productivity and emerging as a result of being reduced to numbers and data. you know, emerging from the fact that inner city kids are spending on average of 14 to 16 hours a day staring at the screen. these are creating problems of addiction, problems of lack of contact with reality and i want to kind of use this new institute to explore what it would mean to say something about the most serious level