james matthew wilson, poet, and the artist. >> and they came and shared their art and their knowledge of renee. but three hours here at -- >> it was really an amazing event. james matthew wilson read us an original poem. jody read us a poem he wrote for renee that renee read. we had a painter who does sacred modern painting. >> and his work was on display. >> we had samples on his work on display this. and the top is renee and -- because, among the other things that i notice that i was reading cynthia haven's excellent biography, the evolution of desire. you should have -- she is amazing. it is that he began as a professor of french litter chu. he was actually trained in that. and there was just this amazing outburst of energy. the people in the audience could easily have been up there on the podium. the turn-out was great. and then we had kind of a salon afterwards at the archbishop. it was really an amazing event. >> that was sort of high intellect. really, really major stuff. but then you have done things on parish level where you have done sort of staged readings at parishes. >> w