james melville . >> thank you. james melville. thanks for that insight.who's actually grown up in that, in that world, so to speak. thanks very much for your time. evening, ralph. do time. this evening, ralph. do you think that the ideal ag at the top, notwithstanding that , the top, notwithstanding that, that there must be many of the elected representatives and others who know that this is madness and are just are they just afraid to articulate what they must surely know ? they must surely know? >> i'm not so sure if they know you mentioned it before at once . you mentioned it before at once. you are trapped in a certain bubble. i think it's very, very hard to kind of to penetrate, to break that, that bubble. um, and what you would need. and that's so that so difficult. this is that i think continental europe has an advantage some areas with the advantage in some areas with the multi—party system. you need some even if some new movements, even if those new movements might not come power, they exactly come into power, they do exactly what described. they