james mitchell. dr. mitchell, take us back to when the program first began and the mind-set of the cia and the interrogators who were actually charged with performing these enhanced interrogation techniques. what was the belief about the threat to the country? >> well, they had ongoing information that suggests that they were trying to smuggle nuclear weapons into the united states. so there was credible evidence to suggest that there was another wave of attacks coming. and we couldn't have it happen. they tried to decapitate us the last time. they tried to destroy our civilization, and people were clamoring to do anything and everything they could that was legal to take it right up to the line and save american lives because that's what our government is supposed to do, save american lives. >> how much pressure did you feel you were under? and how was it communicated to you? >> well, there were times, literally, when i was told that i'd lost my spine, that i'd become weak, that i must be starting to like

james mitchell, who is a psychologist. dr. mitchell, good to see you tonight. thank you for being with us. you are in the air force, then the cia, 9/11 happened, you were asked to help. how? >> they asked me to take a look at the manchester manual initially and figure out -- which is a manual that lists their interrogation strategies and figure out what sorts of resistance behaviors you might see on the part of detainees. after that later they asked me if i would look at the behavior that was engaging to see if he was using any of those resistant strategies. >> so you reviewed the manual al qaeda was using to teach its own fighters how to resist things like waterboarding and so on. you did that. and at some point you suggested means of overcoming that resistance. at some point they came to you and asked you personally to participate and actually conducting the interrogations? >> right. that's correct. what happened was he shut down at one point in spite of what you hear in the senate report. >> zuveda. >> and they asked me to come back to the campus. and it was

that was james mitchell. so one thing led to another and i remember them calling him out of the blue and saying i have nothing to hide. when you see what's in this report, you realize how much there was to hide and what's still out there about what this program contained. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you now that the report has come out, you broke so many of the details about the torture program over the years. i wondered if there was things that came as news to you or if you wondered if this was a different angle write-up. >> i think the narrative remains the same. i'm glad that we're able to tell the american public what was going on years before the government got around to being able to do it. but there's so much more detail here because of the ability to see the c.i.a. talking to itself in this report. i think it is a first-rate report with amazing reporting and any american who's interested in this should just go take a look at it. you are eavesdropping, basically, on the c.i.a. when you lo

james mitchell in the kelly file about slamming the report saying how democrats had an agenda. >> thehat i personally profited $81 million highlights the way they are trying to distort things. that was a commercial contract. it was led under government law. they put out a statement of work i thought it was going to be an open bid we bid on it as an open bid. it was evaluated to see whether the costs were reasonable. it involved providing a lot of people who were embedded into that organization under the command and control of cia officers and leadership not under my command and control. >> dr. mitchell never got to tell his side of the story but khalid shaikh mohammed did. ed henry asked the white house press secretary why. >> james mitchell says that the way it has been set up by the administration khaled sheikh mohammed has an ability to answer the charges against him a terrorist can answer the charges against him but james mitchell didn't get a chance to respond to the senate intelligence report. he didn't get his side of the story. isn't that sort of unamerican? >> it does seem to

. >> lost last night, megyn kelley sat down with james mitchell who says waterboarding isn't what broke 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed. >> what was it that finally broke khalid sheikh mohammed. >> we felt that waterboarding wasn't particularly effective on him. >> it was not? >> it was not. >> so how did you get him to the point where he wound up providing what we're told is very useful information? >> the other eit, i don't really want to say which ones they were. >> mitchell also described how the release of the report by the senate democrats has him fearing for his life. >> how many times in your life have you had a law enforcement official call you up in the middle of the day and say, leave your house immediately. that happened to me a couple of days ago. >> do you feel your life is in danger? >> of course. you have to be cautious and you do feel your life is in danger? i don't mind, i do not mind giving my life for my country, but i do mind giving my life for a food fight between two people who should be able to work it out like adults. >> i want to play one more soundbite

actually, james mitchell is his real name. he is referred to in the report by a pseudonym and when i talked to james mitchell, he couldn't confirm or deny that he's the psychologist named in that report because he has a non-disclosure agreement. but he had pretty strong feelings, calling the report a partisan bottle of bull. he used a much more colorful word than that which isn't suitable for tv. he said when the interrogation program was operating cia officials were in a running gun battle with al qaeda, a group they knew very little about and they did the best they could given the information they had, berman. >> so he and this other man, apparently the two of them devised this list of techniques, waterboarding, sleep deprivation among a bunch of other things that are equally as horrifying. did he when you talked with him, even though he would not confirm or deny reports that he was that man, did he defend these methods? >> yeah, michaela, he did seem to defend these interrogation techniques. he said "nothing was done to tho

one of the psychologists you just heard thomas mention is widely believed to be james mitchell. let's bring in vice news jason leopold. he conducted an interview in which mitchell spoke out about the inter gas station program. the whole interfere i interview is online for people to take a look and judge for themselves. why won't mitchell come out and discuss his role in the program? >> great question. he really does want to discuss his role in the program, but he is bound by a non-disclosure agreement that the c.i.a. and the justice department forced him to sign. during our interview you could tell that he really wanted to get into details, particularly allegations that he did not have any experience. allegations that he personally water borde water-boarded prisoners, but he can't talk about that. he fears if he says anything about the program and confirms his role in the program, that he'll be prosecuted. >> does he really believe that the justice department or the c.i.a. would go after him on discussing his role in a program because of this non-disclosure when it is clear at th

who is james mitchell, and how is he connected to the c.i.a. interrogation program? >> sure. my colleague, who interviewed him, and i was involved in the production of this video, we spent number of months doing this. he agreed to discuss with us the overall senate report. other issues such as radical islam. he has been identified as one of the act techs. he is not named in the report. >> let's listen to a clip, and then i've got another question for. >> you i don't give a damn who you worship, what god you worship, i don't care, but literally when you want to kill my friends, when you want to kill my family and destroy my way of life. it's got my full attention. >> jason, another take away question. i get a sense that he doesn't think that he did anything wrong, and beyond that he would do it all again if the government asked him to. >> i want to make clear that james mitchell, dr. james mitchell is unable to discuss any role he may have played in this program as a result of non-disclosure agreement. however, once the value video hits tomorrow people may walk away with a dif

pa, there you have james mitchell talking about what he thinks this argument is all about. >> hmm. g to hear his defense. and what about mitchell's cre t credentials? the senate report says he has no interrogation experience and yet he was paid $80 million. what does he say about this? >> that was a scathing report that said james mitchell didn't have interrogation experience, didn't have expertise about al qaeda, didn't have cultural literacy about that area of the world. i asked him and he couldn't at the time we talked confirm or deny -- he would later confirm that he was the architect but at this point i talked about, talk about being misrepresented in the press. do you think you're getting a fair shake? here's what he told me. >> i think people are routinely distorting my qualifications. i'm getting all of these phone calls about people being asked, what do you think of this and what do you think of that and 90% of the stuff that they are saying is just not true. you should read the cia response and they are saying, no, the two subcontra subcontractors did not misrepresent them

chris frates sat down with james mitchell. i want to go back to the qualifications.and his partner have degrees in psychology and beyond that, what did they know about interrogations of a high level terrorists? >> if you believe the senate intelligence report, they didn't know a whole heck of a lot. that report says that they didn't have actual training interrogating detainees or terrorists of any kind. they didn't have any expertise about al qaeda. they didn't understand the culture or the linguistics at a high level either. the report goes after james mitchell and the other psychologist who started this program by saying that they really weren't qualified. now, when you talk to the cia, they point to a report that they put out and they said in rebuttal that they felt that mitchell and his partner were so qualified that they would have been darrylic in their duty if they didn't employ them. they trained uniformed men and women on how to survive an attack from an enemy and survive an enemy interrogation so they were reverse engineering that training to use on detaine

james mitchell, the u.s.to take a look at this manual and figure out ways to sort of counteract our own resistance techniques that al-qaeda was prepared to use. and then they figured out, okay, now we know how to do it, and someone's actually going to have to go in and execute on this and get information from the terrorists. and the next thing he knew, he got the call asking him to do it, somebody who had never done enhanced interrogation techniques personally before, but he said, you know, it was tough, and he didn't enjoy it, but he said he felt like he had to do it. and what he said was when you look at those passengers of flight 93 and saw their heroism, this is his thinking, i can do what i need to do to protect my country as well. bill: and when he said, okay, yes, and here is how he answered that question: >> the exact incident was a person there had asked me if i would do these, and i was hemming and hawing a little bit. either him or another person said, well, after you've seen all that you've seen,

. >> defending his role last week, james mitchell said the abuse of prisoners is preferable to the obamaadministration's ongoing drone war that claims civilian lives. he was speaking to "vice news." completelyt seems isensible that slappingksm bad, but sending a hellfire missile into our families picnic and killing all the children and killing granny and killing everyone is ok for a lot of rings -- reasons. one of the reasons is, what about that collateral loss of life? the other is, if you kill them, you can't question them. >> as mitchell defends his role in the torture program, the american psychological association has launched a review to determine whether its leadership colluded with the u.s. government. the apa's probe was prompted by revelations in the new book, "pay any price: greed, power, and endless war," by pulitzer prize-winning "new york times" investigative reporter james risen. the book reveals how after the abu ghraib torture scandal, the apa formed a task force that enabled the continued role of psychologists in the torture program. one apa official wrote an email expr

that program was reverse engineered by james mitchell and john jensen. >> so this sere program which a lot of folks go through, is how you resist being tortured, did james mitchell actually do any of -- like, was he in the room? was he sending e-mails to folks? maybe try a, you know, rectally hydrating them? maybe try smashing them against a wall? maybe suggest you're going to kill someone's mother? how in depth was this, how hands-on from him? >> he could not speak about his specific role in this program due to a nondisclosure agreement that he signed with the cia. however, i can say that he had personally waterboarded khalid sheikh mohammed and abu zubaydah. and he was hands-on. he was right there in the room wearing the black hood. >> he calls it in the clip that i had seen and so few of the clips of enhanced interrogation techniques, does he actually use the word "torture"? >> he uses the word "torture" when he sees the word "torture." the real torture is what the islamic state did to the captives that it held. >> including waterboarding james foley, as we know, which doesn't isl

>> james mitchell was a contractor with the cia, a psychologist.1 when the decision was made to do hostile interrogations. he's an expert on so-called sere, and that's military training, where recruits are waterboarded and things like that to show them what it's like. he himself has never done any interrogations. >> okay, so did the cia supposedly pay him and his partner $80 million to come up with this plan? >> $81 million. it seems pretty expensive to me. this is the whole problem with contracting. the cia didn't know what it was doing so it went out to look for experts and mitchell is one of the ones they found. i think it was a huge mistake because the military itself knows about interrogations and that's the way they should have probably taken this program over in the first place. >> so the "washington post" is reporting mitchell seized on a controversial concept known as "learned helplessness." the idea that a prisoner could be reduced through dehumanizing treatment to utter dependency on his captors. one of the ideas to achieve that, that th

. >> reporter: i reached james mitchell by phone in florida. he told me he could not confirm oh or deny if he was one of the two psychologists referred to the reporin the report. >> reporter: the senate report refers to two psychologists who helped c.i.a.'s use of brutal interrogation. they said they used enhanced interrogation on subjects. it identifies two contractors using the pseudonyms. their real names are reported as james mitchell and bruce jjessen. they said they were not there in realtime and the men and women in the c.i.a. without confirming or denying that i was a part of that interrogation program gave their lives to support the u.s. in our conversation he refused to confirm that he was one of the architects of the program. saying people think i am. i'm not acknowledging it one way or another. but mitchell talks openly about the benefits of waterboarding. >> does waterboarding institute torture. >> you can do it in a way so it shifts' a person's priorities later on. it's like every tool in the tool bag. you can under use it or over

james mitchell is one of two psychologists that designed the interrogation program. tough questions are now being asked about mitchell's qualifications. >> i think it's a partisan pile of crap. it's an attempt to smear the men and women of the cia as the democrats leave their position of authority. >> reporter: that's james mitchell who has been tied to the secret interrogation program by publications in a 2008 senate report. he's one of two psychologists slammed in the report for developing the program. it's the details that are jaw dropping. mitchell and his partner are believed to have landed in $180 million contract with the government, despite the fact neither had knowledge of al qaeda, background in counterterrorism or cultural or linguistic expertise. again, 180 million dlarls. the cia disputed that characterization saying that we believe their expertise was so unique, we would have been derelict had we not sought them out. mitchell says he's been misrepresented in the press. >> people are distorting my credentials and qualifications. >> it's the credentials b

we're hearing from james mitchell. he can't call himself the architect of these enhanced interrogation techniques. he calls himself contractor a. the report calls him that. he is basically saying, look, when you kill them with drone strikes, you can't talk to them the way that they did, and now they're being called, i don't know, in some circles criminal for doing that, right? >> it really is shocking to hear people call them criminal and skip past the preliminary issue of was this torture? it's cavalierly called the torture report. torture is actually a concept in american federal criminal law, and this doesn't make it. which doesn't seem to get anywhere. you are quite right. you know, intelligence is important in every war, but if you are fighting a war against a subnational transcontinental secretive terrorist organization that strikes in stealth, it's our only security. alt the water board constitutes -- the . >> right. >> you say what? >> i say that is absolutely correct. if you look at the law and get out of this

james mitchell is not alone.nvestigation undergoing. that investigation ended two years ago and people like the directors of the c.i.a. were not the subject of the investigation. they could have talked to them any time in the last six years where they spent 40 or $50 million of our money on this monkey business. >> and if al-qaeda talked and exposed their plans and plots, they wouldn't have had to go through this. >> all of these techniques were floyd. they began to talk and cough up vital information that kept us safe and keeping us safe today. >> majority of americans peel the same way. >> thank you for joining us on the curvy couch. >> thank you for being here. >>> we've got ainsley earhart with the headlines. >> a lot of people back there waving at you guys. hello, everyone. thanks for watching. here are the headlines. new york city's mayor has a dirty secret, which is no longer being kept quiet. turns out bill de blasio ordered city lawyers to stay silent about a lawsuit to keep untaxed cigarettes out of the

we know about the psychologist bruce jessen and james mitchell, and their role in the torture. men --k eons these two talk beyond these two men as the attempt for them to be isolated, the role of the largest association of psychologists in the world, but then beyond that. psychiatrists, doctors, nurses. >> i think there's often been this narrative that mitchell and jessen were the lone gunmen of torture, that they were doing this out of their garage. they were operating inside the superstructure of medicalized torture. and what that means is that it wasn't just them alone. it was the office of medical services at cia, part of the office of technical service that allegedly employed mitchell and jessen, and entered alludes just looking -- and that includes just looking at the senate report, physicians assistants, doctors, and may include other professionals within oms. everything from "patient care" to actual monitoring calibration and design of the tactics with mitchell and jessen. >> explained. it traditionally has been said the american psychological association, despite a lot

bruce jessen and james mitchell.lip of james mitchell talking to vice news about all of this. this was an exclusive report on vice news. >> does waterboarding tutorture? >> well, we know it didn't in 2001 until 2006, 2007. i think you can do it in a way that constitutes torture, in a way that constitutes training. in a way that helps a person shift their priorities so they experience less abuse later on. it's like every tool in the tool bag. you can underuse it, you can overuse it. >> i don't know where to start. >> well, first of all, what caribbean island was he on? >> every tool in the tool bag. and now we know what some of these tools were. some of them was a power drill and a gun held at the head of the bombing suspect blindfolded and hanging as the gun was waved around his head. >> and when he says you can use it in a way that's torture and a way that's not torture, read the report. they talk about the series of near drownings. and the bubbles coming up out of the mouth of zubaydah. >> and him passing out, whic

. >> the american people ought to know -- >> reporter: james mitchell, one of two psychologists who came up with the torture techniques today in florida. >> it's not always pretty. and i think it still should be an honest debate in the united states. >> reporter: do you sleep comfortably at night? >> i always sleep comfortably. >> reporter: the report says mitchell and his partner had no training in al qaeda, its language or how to interrogate. he was asked if waterboarding was torture. >> i don't think it's the right thing to do. i don't think it's the wrong thing to do. i think you can do it in a way that it constitutes torture. i think you can do it in a way that constitutes training. i think you can do it in a way that it helps a person shift their priorities so they experience less abuse later on. it's like every tool in the tool bag. you can underuse it. you can overuse it. >> reporter: they were paid $80 million to interrogate prisoners at secret prisons. black sites in poland, lithuania, romania, afghanistan and thailand. former vice president dick cheney says the interrogations

t the architects, james mitchell, one of the two architects who designed the commission after 9/11. >n't think it's the right thing to do, i don't think it's the wrong thing to do. i think you can do it in a way that constitutes torture. i think you can do it in a way that it constitutes training. i think you can do it in a way that helps a person shift their priorities so they experience less abuse later on. it's like every tool in the tool bag. you can underuse it, you can overuse it. >> we learned his firm was paid $8 million despite having no experience in counterterrorism interrogation. was that one of the more shocking revelations to you? >> it is shocking, the amount of money that knew nothing about al qaeda or negotiations really. what you just played is ridiculous, anyone who's been water boarded, described by him as sometimes, it's helpful, sometimes, it's not helpful. sometimes, it's a useful tool, helps them break down whatever reluctance they have, that doesn't change the fact it's torture. i defy anyone who has gone through that experience to claim otherwise. simulating

james mitchell lives outside tampa. he can't confirm he's the psychologist at the heart of the report, but others have. we reached him by phone. did you read the report? >> i read parts of the report. >> reporter: what do you think of it? >> i think that it's about violence. >> reporter: mitchell spent his career teachinger is mismen how to interrogate. according to the report, he had never participated in a real-world interrogation before they devised the c.i.a.'s enhanced interrogation techniques after 9/11. senate intelligence chair dianne feinstein. >> they did things which i really consider immoral and illegal. >> reporter: according to the report, the pair proposed and employed 12 tactics, including use of diapers, waterboarding and mock burials. what do you think of some of the tactics listed in the report, like using -- >> i think there should be an open and honest discussion in the public and people can make up their own minds. what i think about them is irrelevant. >> reporter: one of the things that a number

. >> one of the teachers behind the torture techniques, james mitchell, a psychologist, who had no training in al qaeda interrogation, asked if waterboarding is torture. >> i don't think it's the right thing to do. i don't think it's the wrong thing to do. i think you can do it in a way that it constitutes torture, i think you can do it in a way nate constitutes training. it's like every tool in the tool bag. you can underuse it, you can overuse it. >> don't expect i didn't mean natural charges against cia officers but attorney general eric holder did say this. >> the senate report i think has done our country a great service. by bringing to light practices that are inconsistent with who we say we are as a nation, who we want to be as a nation. pointing a light on whether or not the tactics as harsh and as unacceptable as they were, whether 3 were actually effective. >> now, in 2009 the doj did investigate the cia twice. criminal charges against cia officers have already been ruled out. >>> demands for change in the wake of grand jury decisions in two racially charged cases involving police

megyn kelly interviewed james mitchell, the one who not only came up with the program along with anotherthe one ho put the enhanced interrogation tactics in use against the worst of the worst that we have captured on the battlefield. he's upset because he's finally talking that he was not spoken to before this report was put out. but yet the lawyers for ksm and others, they did have access to the senate intelligence committee. >> and dr. mitchell had said in part one that ksm told him specifically, the liberal media is going to turn on you. the left is going to turn on you. he was right. now, not only was he right about that, but the white house has turned on the interrogators as well. here is ed henry versus josh earnest. >> james mitchell says that the way it's been said by the administration, khalid shaikh mohammed has the ability to answer the charges against him on terrorists, but james mitchell didn't even get a chance to respond to the senate intelligence report. didn't call him, didn't get his side of the story. isn't that sort of unamerican? >> well, it does seem to me that the

james mitchell and bruce drezen had no experience in intelligence work. they had no experience in al-qaida or any related terrorist groups. they have no relevant cow e culture experience, but people would soon be kaet e getting captured by the krirks a,a. cia. niert one of them had conducted an interrogation, ever, in the real world. never. no experience. and the cia hired him. we didn't have a torture bram. now, they also needed somewhere to operate. you might have previously heard it described as the salt pit or as the dark prison. it was in afghanistan. more than half of the 119 prisons held in the c.i.a. looked at today, more than half spent at least some of their time at cobalt at the salt pit. to run that facility, the cia sent over to afghanistan, quote, a junior officer on his first overseas assignmented. and once there, once set up, at that facility, they kind of freelanced. the krerks ia kept few formal records. now this junior officer obviously wouldn't seem to be the obvious candidate. for this 180 degree turn in american policy and this big n

. >> vice news giving that interview with that cia psychologist, james mitchell believed to be the architectof the techniques used in interrogations and obviously the big news of this week so far is the reaction to this report. you just heard former vice president dick cheney here on special report. let's bring in our panel. john goldberg, senior representative of national review. amy stoddard and charles krauthammer. vice president? >> vice president. i thought it was very impressive, forthright, it was borderline jack nicholson saying, you're damned right i ordered the code red, totally unapologetic. and they make a very powerful case. i am not sure that some lawyers at doj say it's not torture that means it's not torture. lawyers are known to torture the language and some of the abuses in here do strike me as torture. but my hunch is that the vast majority of the american people will come down basically on dick cheney's side on this. >> i think he points out the fact that we have shifted from capture and interrogation to drones without human intelligence and calls into question how we're

. >> reporter: now coming out of the shadowed, james mitchell, one of two psychologists who designed techniques. >> it's not always pretty. it should be an honest debate. >> reporter: his firm made $80 million on the program despite having no experience in counterterrorism. >> do you sleep comfortably at night? >> i always sleep comfortably. >> reporter: the cia insists the harsh interrogations at secret prisons produced results. most importantly, the clues leading to the take down of osama bin laden. critics say the agency is misleading the public. >> director brennan and the cia today are tipping to willfully provide inaccurate information and misrepresent the efficacy of torture. the cia is lying. >> that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting. today's appearance is awkward for brennan. at his confirmation, he said he disagreed with the interrogation practices but did not suggest stopping them because he had no authority over the program. >>> a chinese official accused the u.s. of hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to human rights. it came in response to comments made by th

james mitchell told vize news that he included the practice. in his intergas stations. mitchell denied that his company was paid more than $80 million for developing the interrogation programs. >>> sony pictures are struggling tstruggling. and the vatican with another shift in tone. praising the u.s. nuns where the church once criticized them. the. >> mayor of los angeles unveiled the plan for all police officers to wear a body camera. the cameras have become a national issue after the shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri. allen, tell us how these body cameras actually work. >> reporter: well, tony, we spent an interesting day finding out that this is simple and not so simple. after all we're talking about a mobile digital video system operated by a human being. so you combine electronics, which don't always work exactly the way we want them to, and human beings, who sometimes make odd decisions and mistakes under pressure. and it can get complicated. we spoke with an officer from a small town, small department, 15 officers, they've been wearing chest cameras

melissa: meanwhile the psychologist james mitchell, who was the very man who used those enhanced interrogationechniques against 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed, he joined i'm sure you saw, fox news's megyn kelly last night, exclusive i interview. here is what taste of what he had to say. >> i got an award for work we did. they told us we saved lives. and i believe that we did. what changed and then this stuff comes out, no opportunity to defend myself. and i feel horrible for the nation. i feel horrible in part because this puts everyone at risk, in fact khalid sheikh mohammed told me personally, your country will turn on you. the liberal media will turn on you. the people will grow tired of this. they will turn on you. and when they do, you with are going to be abandoned. well i don't feel abandoned by the cia they didn't throw me under the bus. >> chris, first of all what is your reaction to what you heard him saying, what you heard in that interview? his countenance, what he said about the facts, were very different from what we heard from dianne feinstein? >> i would say that you do

the report does detail that the psychologists -- whose names are james mitchell and bruce jessen -- receivedan $81 million contract from the cia. so far, no one involved in the cia interrogation program has been charged with a crime, with one exception, the whistleblower john kiriakou. in 2007, he became the first person with direct knowledge of the cia interrogation program to publicly reveal its existence. he is currently serving a 30 month sentence. for more on the senate torture report, we are joined by reed brody, counsel and spokesperson for human rights watch. he's written several reports for human rights watch on prisoner mistreatment in the war on terror, including a 2011 report which called for a criminal investigation of senior bush administration officials. reed, since i'm speaking to you from limit, peru and there is a satellite delay, if you could just lay out the most critical points that have come out in this, again, just the summary, not the actual thousands of pages that are still classified, but the remarkable revelations in the summary that has been released by the senate

. >>> james mitchell confirms he is one of the two psychologists mentioned in the u.s.ate report who designed the interrogation program. he initially said he was not allowed to comment. he told cnn the senate report was a partisan pile of crap. he was first tied to the program in a 2008 senate report which said he and another psychologist were paid more than $80 million to run it. michael hayden led the cia during the final years of the bush administration he sat down with jake tapper thursday and did not mince words. >> the democrats have used one unwarranted comment in one e-mail to justify the story that you have now bought hook line and sinker that we use this to abuse other human beings. >> you can hear much more of that interview with michael hayden a bit later in this hour. at least two people have died in the u.s. as that brutal storm continues to soak the west coast. powerful winds have knocked out power to more than 180,000 people travel on the roads becoming nearly impossible. with cars getting stuck in the water, and a passenger on a ferryboat says the water

yesterday's senate report was released katherine revealed the alleged role of the two psychologists james mitchell and bruce jessen. mitchell and jessen, no experience, not really much of a background. who were they? why did the c.i.a. give a contract to these guys? >> that's a great question. that's what a lot of people are asking today. they were air force psychologists who were involved in a training program called sear, which stands for survival evasion resistence escape. they were putting service men and women through training exercise playing coercive interrogators to expose them to those kinds of tactics if they were captured. the program is really modeled on what happened to american service men in the korean war when the communist chinese were trying to extract false confessions. that's what the tactics were supposed to do. what mitchell and jessen told the c.i.a. is we can reverse engineer these tactics for you and we'll extract terrific confessions. >> they're claiming to the c.i.a. we can turn this around. did they have any thread of evidence that their theory would work? >> they reall

they were not mentioned by name but several reports had named retired air force psychologist james mitchell the architects of the cia program. in to an zber interview, he called the report a partisan pile of bull. he went ton say people gave their lives to protect the american people and the last thing the democrats want to do as they leave office is to smear their memory. it is despicable. a. >> five afghan soldiers are dead after a suicide bomber targeted their vehicle in kabul. the defense ministry says 12 others are wounded. the taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. this comes as u.s. troops prepare to shift their mission from combat to training and advising afghan troops as the end of this month. >> authorities in hong kong are taking down barricades as they move towards the main pro democracy protest site. a deadline to leave past hours ago, but hundreds remain. and students have been demanding free and fair election ss for more than two months. police have issued a warning to students that they will arrest anyone who remains at that protest site. so what's the situation ther