this man that you mentioned, james mitchell, becomes much more central to this operation. play a quick clip here. here is how you introduce him in the film. >> mitchell was the inventor of the acronym for what the c.i.a. called enhanced interrogation techniques and what the rest of the world called torture. >> if my boss tells me it's illegal, especially if the president has approved it, i'm not going to get into the nuances about what some guy in the basement or what some journalist thinks about it, because they're free to trade places with me anytime they think they can do a better job of protecting americans. >> nawaz: alex, how does that man-- how does james mitchell end up at the black site run by the c.i.a., where abu zubaydah is being interrogated? what's his background in interrogations? >> that's a really good question. he had absolutely zero background in interrogation. none. he had never interrogated anybody in his life. however, he did have a distinguished career as a psychologist, who had been spending time at the so-called air force sere school. sere stands f

>>'s real name, james mitchell.chell is the person who is on the image on the screen. the significance of psychologists being involved in what they call enhanced interrogation technique, which is so clearly outright torture? >> that's right. he was a psychologist who worked for something called the air force cere school that was designed to prepare some of our own soldiers the deprivations of authority resumes. he tried to retrofit those resistance techniques into interrogation techniques, which was both a nonsensical thing but also an offensive, in my view, against the psychological profession. amy: we're going to do part two of this conversation at democrynow.org. alex gibney, academy award-winning film maker. his new film "the forever prisoner" is now on hbo. that does

jackson browne, j.d., henley and frey, linda ronstadt, joni mitchell, james taylor. >> the big sea changeve to do this? >> i feel an obligation to myself and to people, to try and share myself, maybe as honestly as i can. ♪ i left my folk and friends with the aim to clear my mind out ♪ ♪ well i hit the rowdy road and many kinds i met there ♪ ♪ many stories told me all the ways to get there ♪ ♪ ooh ♪ ♪ so on and on i go the seconds tick the time out ♪ ♪ there's so much left to know and i'm on the road to find out ♪ >> everyone was just trying to do whatever came into their head. >> in the early days paul and i, we wanted to be the goffin and king of england. goffin and king were very big in those days. >> we had no idea who these people were, who the mysterious mr. king was. wrote the songs, chains the beatles did, i'm into something good. which was part of the british invasion. we did discover this remarkable woman, carole king. >> carole king made the transition from being behind the scenes woman to a star in her own right. ♪ i feel the earth move under my feet i feel the sky tumbling do

mitchell has a story. >> we have to take him into custody. james and general crumley. >> the parents of the team charged with the guys will are now in custody. >> and certain appeared to be distressed. as you can imagine. they were educated. they were in a commercial building. we were able to take them into custody without incident. however, they were very distressed. lessie at their son's arraignment, they appeared via video. they surrendered ahead of their own arraignment on friday. that did not present themselves. the fbi and the u.s. marshals office held the shared -- helped the sheriff's office, announcing $810,000 reward for any information. >> there were a lot of things that could've have been so simple to prevent. >> mcdonald detailed timeline, detailing the six-hour nine millimeter pistol on friday. prosecutors represent -- referenced the internet post, one from last friday on his account, captioned, just got my new beauty today. on the mother's account, mom and son day. just got a new christmas president. prosecutors say that one teacher