you can see about a mile away, james munro's tomb. -- monroe's tomb. you cannot do this today. that is what enables us to reach inside these images. look deeper. find the story. all right. nearby. the photographers went across the river. there are the in buckman's of the bridge. they took the shot which i love. look at these people. think about the week they have had. these are african-americans probably former slaves. you think they were just sitting there, having a picnic when the photographer rolled up? this is completely put together. what is powerful about this. the photographers considered themselves not photographers like we consider ourselves. they are trying to show you something, but it is there art. -- thier aeir art. we had to take them on their terms and understand this is not documentarian, this is art. the ruined bridge. the ironworks. see it back there? this is send you a message. who is out front now? he has definitely got a message here. reminding you this. -- this is the current issue. art, a art. propaganda, sure. does that surprise you? i am ok with it. wha

brian lamb: james and munro. why is he also worked a chapter -- worth a chapter? david stewart: he was close to madison and very important to madison. in the war of 1812, that is a difficult time for madison. he is the first war president. he really brought on the war in many respects. but he was not a natural soldier. he had little experience. monroe added gravitas and grounding. brian lamb: age difference? david stewart: madison was seven or eight years older. brian lamb: how far did he lived from thomas jefferson? david stewart: they were all within 50 miles. munro had grown up--monroe had grown up around there, but he had moved to be closer to jefferson. brian lamb: last one. but -- put the two of them because each other, what do you see? david stewart:mo isnr a big guy. he is strapping andoe medicine has not changed--monroe is a big guy. he is strapping, and madison has not changed. brian lamb: i want to show video of montpelier and the dinner table where the madison entertained. let's show that and listen to it. i want to get you to talk about the end of the