by the way, i thought that james quincey gave you a way to trace things out, too. i'm not optimistic, carl, but i am a realist and one realistic way to do it is to have a state that has got very good mixture of rural and urban to put it all out there, so i don't know i mean, the hatred for this guy i think is very political. he's trying to figure it out like the rest of us. >> right obviously it's not going to be perfect, but jim, daily new cases in the u.s. are down by a third from the peak ten days ago. >> right >> that's not to say it's not going to resurge, but at some point you have to ask, if not now, when? >> yes that's it. >> if the trend continues like this >> that's it i think you have to say okay, we're over the hump. we can continue to stay hunkered down, but the consequences is so great for the middleclass, and let's just be -- look, i've good a job and i have a contract. so you could argue anyone with a job and a contract just simply has no idea what the people are doing, but i also own a restaurant and believe me, there are people every day who say,