. >>> for more on healthcare costs and whattrition to obamacare, we are joined by james robinson, professor of health economics. he joins us from our stud studio. great to have you with us, james. i think you do some things up nicely and asked an important question about healthcare and the "new york times." you said, quote, hospitals are self-fueling, ever-expanding machines. there is an infin ite amount of stuff to buy, am ebbities, new wings, higher salaries, more nurses. but to deliver good healthcare, what do you need? what do we need? and should they be charging what they are charging for those things we need? >> well, i think that there is really three inter-connected aspects of the problem. the first is that the consumer doesn't have any way of knowing what the price ofhy is and the prices structured, as elizabeth was saying, that's so obscure, nobody can understand it. >> that's the first problem. the second one is that the prices, themselves are so -- there is not a single price for anything that you would actually want to buy. it comes out as these bits and pieces of, as she put i

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