enough though to win and hold onto it cannot make primacy well to discuss that i'm now joined by james robinson prominent political scientist and also of why in the nation's failed mr robinson it's so good to talk to you thank you very much for your time my pleasure now you published the book back in 2012 when the world felt like a totally different place it was before the economy became political again before this wave of populism rolled over a number of western societies if you were writing you today do you think you would have changed anything in it. well not really i mean our focus is very much on the long run you could say. you know we're trying to figure out you know why does the world look the way it does you know in terms of these big patterns of economic prosperity and poverty and that's a sort of deeply historical process so you don't change your views over a few years and i would also say that you know in terms of populism i mean you're right that in a sense the world looks a lot different but but but not the difference i mean there's lots of populism historically for somebody like m

welcome back to worlds apart and james robinson prominent political scientist and author of why nations fail professor robinson before the break we talked about nominally inclusive systems let's talk about extractive wants to which you delegate both russia and china and i would agree with your main thesis is that collective societies often create the potential for client client to listen but they also come with higher demand on the state what the state is supposed to provide in terms of public goods is it really so binary inclusive versus extractive as opposed to being both inclusive and extractive at the same time i think there's a lot of agreement to most economists about what it takes to have economic prosperity you know it takes innovation that takes on ship and you know for that people you know you need to have a set of economic institutions which can harness all that latent talent and ability in your society but all of you as you know you can't have the whim of some dictator or autocrat or some communist party you know you need to have genuine political participation and accountab

james i robinson junior associate professor of civil war history at virginia tech. he is the author or editor of various post including "shifting grounds, nationalism and the american south," which won the british association for american studies but prize, the jefferson davis award for the museum of the confederacy, and the albert lee star my award -- sturm award. his work has appeared in journals such as the journal of southern history and the journal of southern era. the south carolina congressman who achieved notoriety by caning senator charles sumner on before the senate in 1856. mapping the fourth of july and the civil war era, a project with the libraries at virginia tech. he serves on the board of the society of's civil war historians, the editorial board of the journal of the civil war the historians advisory board of the american civil war museum in richmond. my coming our in final speaker for today, dr. paul quigley. [applause] thank you very much. how is the volume you go -- volume? to be here and follow such a distinguished program of speakers today. i

robinson, cnn, london. >> our thanks to nick for that. joining me now is retired major general james "spider" marks.hat makes this so complicated and dangerous. wave got a map of this region, spider, and let's start with a dispute over the airspace. was it international airspace or iranian airspace and you can see just how close we're dealing with it. the shipping lane only 2 miles across. >> i need to tell you i don't know why we're still talking about a dispute, the united states has stated emphatically, i think the narrative is absolutely spot on. we knew where that drone was located. we knew its position at the time. we knew the track it was on and we could adjust that track. realize these drones not only have a preplanned track but you could adjust them en route. >> i want to make the point, though, you're talking about a matter of miles here, single digit miles here. and that is also in play when we're talking about these tankers that were targeted. i can zoom in and show you where that happened and also, again, the shipping lanes are only 2 miles apart. >> it has always ben congested. it's ev