color change was a response to katrina and really james rucker took the lead on that use after you hear activists have been a part of move on thought org and helped to out of katrina build it an african-american version of move on to work using some of those high tech tools and techniques to amplify the voices of people who are concerned about what was happening to the victims of katrina but also after americans in general are very proud of that also proud of the ella baker center for human rights which is also still going forward you know we discovered in california. that the state was spending one hundred fifty thousand dollars per year per kid to lock a kid up and we did it mad at the time you could sit four kids to yale for the cost of food and one kid to jail we said this is ridiculous these kids in the classroom don't have books they don't have chalk summer programs are being cut but we're spinning a hundred fifty k. per year per kid locking them up and then these kids come out eighty five ninety percent of them wind up in adult prison so what have we run a hundred fifty thousand

now, it turns out that the co-founder of color of change, james rucker, served as director of grass rootsization for the george soros founded moveon.org and he was also part of democracy alliance, which is quote, a network of investors building progressive change. that was launched by george soros. isn't that something that the media should be looking at? >> well, i think, again, you have to look at what are the different institutions on the left and right and the democracy lines on the left that came out of all of the efforts in 2004 and the efforts against gary and progressive donors said we're fot going to stop by and take it and that's the infrastructure that they built and we have the same on the right. like, clearly, this has to be a bigger conversation about from an economic standpoint do we have the funds to be taking away some of the revenue that some of the nonprofits could bring in. but it's not just media matters. >> it's not just media matters. we should at this point, we're searching for federal dollars and source of revenue, and raised some questions about whether or not th