i've been speaking to wade robson and james safechuck — and also the director of this documentary, dans, thank you for talking to us. wade and james, i'd like to ask you first of all, why you have chosen to speak out now. for me, i couldn't do it any earlier time in my life. i wish that i could have, you know? but there were a series of events in my life, most notably beginning with the birth of my son, which led to two nervous breakdowns, the second of which led to me disclosing the abuse from michaeljackson for the first time in my life. i had been keeping it silent for 22 or so years. once i began that process of speaking it for the first time and beginning the healing process, at some point in that healing process this desire arose in me to try and take this horrible thing, this bad thing that happened to me, and do something good with it. so the question for me was, how could i find a way to tell the truth now, now that i can, and tell my story in a detailed way that would help other survivors feel not so alone, to help other survivors‘ stories feel validated, and to raise awarene

wade robson and james safechuck claim the pop star abused them for years until they were 1a.n a tv documentary next week. the jackson family have said there is no evidence to back up their claims. our correspondent dan johnson reports from los angeles. # ‘cause this is thriller — thriller night. # and no—one's gonna save you from the beast about to strike... he was the king of pop, a global icon and one of the most successful singers of all time. allegations of child abuse overshadowed his later career. in 2005, he was cleared in court, but now, there are new claims. i was seven years old. michael asked, "do you and the family want to come to neverland?" two men have told a documentary maker they were groomed at the star's fairytale theme park home, neverland. michael sexually abused me from the age of seven years old until 1a years old. and the sexual abuse included fondling, touching my entire body and my penis. hello, wade. today is your birthday, so congratulations. i love you, goodbye. wade originally testified that michaeljackson never harmed him. the idea of being pull

each other again, and that he and i would go to jail for the rest of our lives. >> reporter: james safechucksays he first met jackson while shooting this commercial at age 10. safechuck says after developing a friendship with the pop star, jackson abused him, again and again in secret hideaways in the neverland ranch and in hotel rooms on tour. >> at the same time the sexual relationship is growing he's working on pushing you away from your parents or pushing you away from everybody else. >> reporter: both men idolized jackson and claimed that jackson befriended their unsuspecting mothers and families. >> michael wanted to be with our family. this was all so overwhelming and like a fairy tale. and i got lost in it. >> he would reward me with jewelry for doing sexual acts for him. >> reporter: safechuck says jackson even put on a mock wedding in private and gave him this ring. >> it has a row of diamonds with a gold band. it's hard to go back to that moment. he would run drills with me where you'd be in the hotel room and he would pretend like somebody was coming in, and hundred you had to ge

james safechuck was in a commercial with jackson. he says he was abused from the age of ten.culous sort of build—up for him to be able to do that, and it takes him a while to build the trust. michael groomed the world as well. michaeljackson‘s music is still loved, and generates millions of pounds every year. he himself always maintained that he'd never hurt any child, and some of his family members have continued to defend his reputation. why do you think they're coming forward now? money. you think it's all about money? it's all about money. it's always been about money. i hate to say it — when it's my uncle, it's almost like they see a blank cheque. this documentary is not telling the truth. there has not been, not one piece of evidence that corroborates their story. almost a decade after his death, michaeljackson‘s character remains under the spotlight. his true legacy is still being questioned. danjohnson, bbc news, los angeles. andre previn, one of the most distinguished musicians of the past century, has died at the age of 89. a gifted conductor, composer and pianist,

the film tells the stories of wade robson and james safechuck. dance teacher who did choreography for n'sync and britney spears, says jackson initiated him to sex when he was seven years old, and the pop star was 31. he alleges the behavior continued for seven years. >> hstarted talking about ho much he loves me. what this is, is us, how we show our love for each other. other people are ignorant, they're stupid, und they'd never rstand. if they ever found out what they alwere doing about this se stuff, that he and i would be pulled apart and never be able to see each other again and that he and i would go to jaifor the rest of our af >> yang: sechuck, a former child actor who appeared with jackson in a pepsi ad, saysed jackson abusim over six year beginning when he was ten. >> secrets will eat you up. you feel so alone. >> yang: their families tell how jackson won their trust: >> he justame across as a loving, caring, kind soul. it was easy to believe he was just that. >> yang: ...and, how they feel about him now. >> michael's gone, but it doesn'

james safechuck was in a commercial with jackson. he says he was abused from the age of ten.grooms the parents as well. so, you know, it's a meticulous sort of build—up. michaeljackson‘s music is still loved, and generates millions of pounds every year. he himself always maintained that he had never hurt any child, and some of his family members have continued to defend his reputation. this documentary is not telling the truth. there has not been — not one piece of evidence that corroborates their story. almost a decade after his death, michaeljackson‘s character remains under the spotlight. his true legacy is still being questioned. danjohnson, bbc news, los angeles. a painting found in an attic in france could be a long—lost caravaggio worth in excess of £100 million. the work, which depicts a biblical scene, was even left behind by burglars when they raided the home a number of years ago. the painting will be auctioned without reserve later in the year. if you want something quite brutal like that in your living room. if you want something quite brutal like that in your li

that was victoria derbyshire talking to wade robson and james safechuck you can read more on that storycan call for free at any time, to hear recorded information, that is the number on the screen. victoria derbyshire there talking to wade robinson, the leaving neverland documentary maker dan reid, and if you missed those numbers, or you wa nt to you missed those numbers, or you want to read more on the story, do head online, lots of other stories to read and catch up on bbc.co.uk/news now it's time for a look at the weather with stav danaos after a quiet start to this week things are set to turn very u nsettled things are set to turn very unsettled this week, with spells of wind and rain, and even a main storm on sunday. and of rain spreading across the country tonight, it will use down as it reaches eastern parts of the uk, behind it, something a little bit clearer and drier. because there will be quite a bit of cloud cover, it should be another mild night, with a fairly mild start to saturday. into the weekend event, spells of wind and rain, both saturday and on sunday, we have got a

. >> there are a lot of disturbing moments which james safechuck and wade robson recall. bviously go into a lot of them because of the nature. but there's one part when james describes how he would practice with jackson what to do if someone was coming while they're in bed together. listen to this. >> he would run drills with me where he'd be in the hotel room and he would pretend like somebody was coming in and you had to get dressed as fast as possible without making noise. so not getting caught was a big just kind of fundamental. >> yeah, consciousness of guilt on jackson's part is incredible. and yet, you know, he publicly pleaded his innocence. i remember at the time he clearly talked about being hounded and being a victim. >> very much so. and still to this day there are people who will argue that he was a victim and it's trending mj innocent. what's interesting about this is the documentary has jackson defending himself at some length. they excerpt a good deal of the martin baa shaer interview jackson did in 2003, which i think for a lot of people was an example of

in a documtary being broadcast next week, wade robson and james safechuck say they were seven and 10 old when the abuse began at the singer's neverland ranch. the jackson family have denied the claims. dan johnson reports from los angeles. >> ♪ cause this is thriller kidan: he was the of pop, a global icon and one of all time. -- one of the most successful singers of all time. allegations ofshhild abuse ovowed his later career. in 2005, he was cleared in court, but now there are new claims. >> i was seven years old. michael asked, "do you and the familyant to come to neverland?" dan: two men have told a documentary filmmaker that they were groomed at neverland. >> michael jacuson sexually me from age seven years old until 14 years old. and the sexual abuse included fondling, touching, my entire body and my penis. michael: hello, wade. today is your birthday. i love you. bye. dan: wade originally testified that michael jackson never harmed him.of m the ideeing called away from michael, th, this otherworldly figure, this god to me who had become my best friend, no way was i ever going

. >> that with wade robson and james safechuck.the documentary, they detail years of sexual abuse they say they endured at the hands of michael jackson. >> he was one of the kindest, most gentle, loving, caring people i knew, and he also sexually abused me for seven years. >> oprah is with the men for a special broadcast after hbo airs part two. >> can you explain to people why you want to continue the association if you have been abused? >> i had no understanding of it being abuse, you know? i loved michael. >> twitter erupted last night over part one of hbo's documentary with many praising the men for their bravery. michael's devoted fans called it a, quote, cheap shot because m.j. is no longer here to defend himself. he died in 2009, and during his life, he aillways denied doing anything inappropriate with children. >> don't treat me like a criminal because i am innocent. >> "e.t." was there in 2005 during michael's 14-week child molestation trial. he was acquitted on ml ichael touch you >> i learned so much from him as an artis

," streisand was asked about the hbo documentary "leaving neverland" in which wade robson and james safechuck allege the king of pop sexually abused them as young boys. >> he told me if they ever found out what we were doing, he and i would go to jail for the rest of our lives. >> reporter: streisand told the reporter, "his sexual needs were his sexual needs. coming from whatever childhood he has or whatever dna he has." she added, "you can say molested, but those children, as you heard say, they were thrilled to be there. they both married, and they both have children, so it didn't kill them." on social media, streisand started trending for the wrong reasons. "leaving neverland" director dan reed tweeted, "is pedophilia tolerated in parts of the entertainment industry?" late saturday the singer released a statement clarifying her remarks. "to be crystal clear, there is no situation or circumstance where it is okay for the innocence of children to be taken advantage of by anyone. the stories these two young men shared were painful to hear, and i feel nothing but sympathy for them." ♪ the broo

. >> reporter: sharing stories of alleged childhood abuse in graphic detail, wayne robson a james safechuckscribe michael jackson as a sexualpr ator. >> so not getting caught was a big like just kind of fundamental. he would tell me that if anybody found out, his life would be over. >> reporter: in the explosive new docu-series, "leaving neverland," now airing on hbo, iclechuck and robson chr alleged abuse years in the making. >> i'm the most happiest when i'm onstage and when i'm with jimmy safechuck. >> the tour was the start of the sexual like couple relationship. >> reporter: it started, they say, with sleepovers often arl ned ranch. >> taking showers together and, you know,in fon and kissing. >> reporter: jackson's estate c denies tims and is suing hbo. they point out both men testified on behalf singer when he was accused of sexual abuse in separate cases years ago.as jackso never convicted. >> michael would d nevero that. >> reporter: while michael ckson is gone, his legacy is under attack. miguel almaguer, nbcnews. >>> still ahead, we'll go behind the scenes of one of the country'it

that was victoria derbyshire talking to wade robson and james safechuck you can read more on that storye story, do head online, lots of other stories to read and catch up on bbc.co.uk/news now it‘s time for a look at the weather with stav danaos after a quiet start to this week things are set to turn very u nsettled things are set to turn very unsettled this week, with spells of wind and rain, and even a main storm on sunday. and of rain spreading across the country tonight, it will use down as it reaches eastern parts of the uk, behind it, something a little bit clearer and drier. because there will be quite a bit of cloud cover, it should be another mild night, with a fairly mild start to saturday. into the weekend event, spells of wind and rain, both saturday and on sunday, we have got a main storm which is likely to bring the potential of some disruption to england and wales. 0n saturday, this first storm will arrive across the northwest corner of the country, as the day wears on. we start off on if i know with plenty of sunshine around, the winds will increase, the clouds will incr

. >> reporter: sharing stories of alleged childhood abuse in graphic detail, wade robson and james safechuckescribe michael jackson as a sexual predator. >> not getting caught was a big like just kind of fundamental. he would tell me that if anybody found out, his life would be over. >> reporter: in the explosive new docuseries "leaving neverland," now airing on hbo, safechuck and robson chronicle alleged abuse years in the making. >> i'm the most happiest when i'm on stage and when i'm with jimmy safechuck. >> the tour was the start of this sexual like couple relationship. >> reporter: it started, they say, with sleep-overs, often at neverland ranch. >> taking showers together. you know, fondling and kissing.>> jackson's estate denies the claims and is suing hbo. they point out both men testified on behalf of the singer when he was accused of sexual abuse in separate cases years ago. jackson was never convicted. >> that's not michael. michael would never do that. >> reporter: tonight while michael jackson is gone his legacy is under attack. miguel almaguer, nbc news. >>> there is word that

. >> wade robson and james safechuck claimed they abused m.>> they sued but their lawsui were dismissedthe statute of t the jackson familyts those claims are lies. i spoke with jackie, marlon and tito. >> the documentary might have you believe that michael was a sexual predator and master manipulator.

. >> reporter: james safechuck, now 41, says he first met jackson while shooting this soda commercial and choreographer wade robson, who is now 36, says that he met him after winning a dance competition. both detail quite explicitly what they say happened behind closed doors. >> at the same time, the sexual relationship is growing, he's working on pushing you away from your parents, pushing you away from everybody else. >> reporter: both men describe being groomed by jackson, sometimes spending as many as six hours at a time on the phone with him. >> i was really into jewelry, and he would reward me with jewelry for doing sexual acts for him. >> reporter: after jackson died, they sued his estate. the lawsuits were dismissed for being filed too late. they are appealing. for those question why both men stayed silent for so long, they told open whrah winfrey becoming fathers themselves helped them confront the alleged abuse. >> can you explain to people why would you want to continue the association if you have been abused? >> i had no understanding of it being abuse. you know, i loved m

. >> i think jesse, it must be pointed out that both james safechuck and robeson have denied physicalhips with the king of pop, with michael jackson. until they failed in their efforts to be compensated by him . then they have now turned into this explosive documentary. i agree with you that the allegations are horrifying. to listen to. but you know, you posed the ultimate dilemma. let's say that even though i am skeptical of some of these most explosive charges. i think that the issue of whether or not you play michael jackson's music is really subjective when you have to decide for yourself, he is, unarguably, one of the most talented performers in the history of the modern history of show business. he is the king of pop for a good reason. none had the same rhythm, none have the same use of lyrics. no one could dance like michael jackson. that's why you know is when he died of the overdose, at the age of 50, he was going to the arena and london england and he had sold out every ticket for hugely expensive week long run there. millions and millions of dollars. he is enormously appeal

>> reporter: good morning, the film includes the firsthand accounts of two men, wade onro and james safechuckichael jackson sexually abused y them forrs starting when they were 7 and 10 years old. they came forward now as adults ms with the to te abuse they say they suffered. now reaction has been split. some criticizing robson and safechuck and defending the legacy of the pop star while others say in thi #metoo era, it is time to believe the victims, and a warning, what you're about to hear is very disturbing. jackson's death, "leaving neverland" is a documentary not out jackson says the filmmaker but the stories of two men who sayth pop star sexually abused them as young children. >> i'm the most happiest when i'm on stage and when i'm with jimmy safechuck. >> james safechuck met jackson when he starred opposite the inger on a pepsi commercial. he was 10 when they began a sexual relationship. >> he was already larger than life and then he likes you. >> hello, wade, congratulations little one. today is your birthday. >> he was one of the ndest, most gentle loving, caring people i knew. >> 36

. >> you saw that pattern of grooming with not just wade robson, but james safechuck had the similars well and it completely devastated these two families and young men and they felt that they wanted toel their story as survivors in the era of the meoo movement, and now was the ime to do it, especially as fathers now and having kids of their own. >>ing very difficult story to watch and hear told, especially by those who were fans of michael jackson and his music. again, pointing out the fact that he's not here to defend himsel another big story today is of course the passing of luke perry. many we rooting for him and hoping he'd recover from the stroke. >> last week he had a massive stroke and sadly today we learned h jus didn't and couldn't recover. his family wereurrounding him along with very close friends, but sad at the age of 52, luke perry passed away today and lots of peoplon social media, especially those who worked closely with him, ian ziering, shan acetaminophnen doherty, se love and prayers. >> thank you, natali >>> an update next on that line of deadly tornados in the d

. >> i think jesse, it must be pointed out that both james safechuck and robeson have denied physicalips with the king of pop, with michael jackson. until they failed in their efforts to be compensated by him . then they have now turned into this explosive documentary. i agree with you that the allegations are horrifying. to listen to. but you know, you posed the ultimate dilemma. let's say that even though i am skeptical of some of these most explosive charges. i think that the issue of whether or not you play michael jackson's music is really subjective when you have to decide for yourself, he is, unarguably, one of the most talented performers in the history of the modern history of show business. he is the king of pop for a good reason. none had the same rhythm, none have the same use of lyrics. no one could dance like michael jackson. that's why you know is when he died of the overdose, at the age of 50, he was going to the arena and london england and he had sold out every ticket for hugely expensive week long run there. millions and millions of dollars. he is enormously appeali

it tells the story of wade robson and james safechuck, two men who claim the pop star molested them when were young. so much buzz around this documentary. brian stelter here with the latest. >> it's a punch in the guts but nothing compared to what these two accusers say they went through for years. allegations of pedophilia. this is something that followed michael jackson for decades, allegations in the past. this time is different. people may be more ready to listen and hear the stories. here's what the two accusers say in the film. >> he told me if they ever found out what we were doing, he and i would go to jail for the rest of our lives. >> secrets will eat you up. you feel so alone. >> i want to be able to speak the truth as loud as i had to speak the lie for so long. >> and it's time, past time to hear them. to hear their words. wade and james share details of the alleged encounter. >> obviously things like this came out years ago. i thought the jackson family thought they were past them. >> they sued hbo. the film aired no matter what. here's a statement from the family, from the

and the effect at this had on them and their families, and i would like to play a little bit of james safechuckut the effect it had on him as an adult. >> one of the weird things is not liking yourself and not knowing why. i didn't know why i had these problems or flt these ways, constant antyxnd depression and not knwing why you are like that. >> reporter: now, he could be talking about the the fects of something at the hands of a ach, it a teacher, a co doesn't have to be a celebrity. talk a little bit about that part of the film. >> you know, what this film is really about is to families coming torms with the disclosure of a long-held and very dark secret,which is the sexual abuse of their sons at hae hands of michael jackson. it's not about m. it doesn't really matter that he was a popa str. i of course it matters because this is a story that's now significant because of michael's magnitude in our cul, tut this could have easily been a story about an uncle ori prest or any trusted figure or figure of authority that a mother or father might trust to spend time with their child, and that's ho

according to james and wade, james safechuck and wade robson, michael jackson seemed to understand thearrier that sort of made whatever was going on between him and james and then him and wade wrong. >> you used the phrase bearing witness in your article, which i thought was interesting. >> the film itself is presenting these stories without a lot of editorial dissent, right? this isn't james wade, james and wade sort of saying that michael jackson did this and you hear from the family or you hear from lawyers. this is simply a laying out of a story that goes very neatly into the stories that we have been talking about michael jackson. >> how do you see this documentary affecting the other alleged accusers who told their stories in the past and were not believed? >> of michael jackson? >> yeah. >> well, that's a great question, too. i would love to hear from, you know, the aveisos, for instance, the objects of that 2003 trial, where michael jackson was acquitted, mostly for all kinds of reasons. that trial was a little bit of a fiasco. >> will you remind our viewers about the impact th

james safechuck, now 41, says he first met jackson while shooting this soda commercial at age 10.ng a friendship with the pop star jackson abused him, again and again. in secret hideaways located throughout jackson's neverland ranch and in hotel rooms on >> at the same time, sexual relationship is growing, he's working on pushing you away from your parents, or pushing you away from everybody else, and it feels more like -- like it's just you and him. >> reporter: both idolized jackson and claim that even as the abuse continued jackson befriended their unsuspecting mothers and families paying for travel, shopping sprees and gifts. >> i was really into jewelry and he would reward me with jewelry for doing sexual acts for him. >> reporter: safechuck says jackson even put on a mock wedding in private and gave him this ring. >> it has a row of diamonds with a gold band. the wedding ring. it's hard to go back to that moment. >> reporter: when sexual misconduct allegations surfaced against jackson in 1993, each would testify on his behalf saying he never molested or touched them inapprop

. >> and "the new york times" reports oprah winfrey spoke with wade robson and james safechuck abouthbo documentary called "leaving neverland," winfrey spoke with the director, and safe chuck was asked if he had forgiven jackson. >> i felt guilt this weekend for -- like i let him down. like it's still there. that shadow is still there. >> you let him down how, by speaking up? >> yeah. it's still there. and it just creeps ouof allegat. the estate is suing hbo for $100 million. >>> leaving neverland is also shedding light on why people who say they are child sex abuse survivors may not come forward. and it's prompting many parents to discuss how they can protect their own children. in the film wade robson explains why he waited more than two decades to accuse michael jackson of abuse. >> i didn't believe or understand that the sexual stuff that happened between michael and i was abuse. at that point it was -- i loved michael. michael loved me. this was something that happened between us. that's it. i had absolutely no understanding that i was affected. or any feeling that i was affecte

wade robson and james safechuck sa jackson rehearsed with them how to avoid being caught and t groomemthing about hawaii? beingithyou. >> reporter: safechuck's mother says the entire family fell under jackson's spell. >> he could be anywhere with anybody in the world and michael cknted to be with our family. >> reporter: n's family say they never believed the accusations against their brother, en though his sleepovers with young boys might have looked suspicious to outsiders. >> i think -- he said, mom, i would never hurt a kid. he's telling the truth. michael is not lik that. >> reporter: for two decades robson and safechuck said the same rothing, bson testifying under oath at jackson's criminal trial that theinger never touched him inappropriately. jackson was found not guilty. in his early 30s, robson's story changed. >> never forgot one moment of what michael did to me but i wal psychologi and emotionally completely unable and unwilling to understand that it was sexual abuse. >> reporter: robson and safechuck say becoming fathers prompted them to speak out. both made their allegatc

in the film, wade robson and james safechuck claim michael jackson sexually abused them for years.son repeatedly denied similar allegations before his death in 2009. earlier this week, the accusers told gayle king the film is not part of a vendetta. here is more from her interview which you are seeing only on "cbs this morning." >> wanted to spend all of his time with me. out of all the kids in the world, he chose me. >> he called you his best friend? >> yeah. >> did you feel like the best friend, too, james? >> oh, for sure. it was very much you and him against the world. >> before i sat down with you i talked to a child therapist who specializes in abuse of children. and she said kids your age don't know that it's abuse. >> there were two phases i see that when you're young, it's -- it is this sort of loving, tender relationship and activity. and then when i got into puberty when he started introducing pornography and started introducing alcohol, the tone changes a bit. >> when you hear a michael jackson song, you think what, or is it a trigger for you? >> a lot of times if i'm i

she says that she believes the accusations made by 36 year-old wade robson and 40 year-old james safechuck in a documentary entitled leaving never land. two men talked about their traumatic experiences with michael jackson at his mansion when they were kids but streisand says the experiencenot kill them. she said she felt bad for the children and jackson and blames the parents for allowing the children to sleep with them. >>> a texas flight attendant was released after a month. the 28 year-old works for a mesa airline. she illegally was in the states. she talked about her immigration status after being assigned an international flight. she was stopped on a flight back to houston. >> i do hope that this case brings to light the problems that are inherently existing at this point with the fact that we have left all of these daca recipients in legal limbo. >>> immigration and customs enforcement is looking into her status. the agency said she did not have valid documentation and was being detained while going through immigration court proceedings. >>> 7:49. i agree with claudine wong i said r

wade robson y james safe chuck , dos hombres, quienes acusan a "michael jackson" de cometer abusos sexuales contra ellos cuando eran niqos! siete y diez aqos de edad, respectivamente.a safechucko un fuerte vinculo con el cantante y pasaron vacaciones juntos... segun robson, fue en uno de esos viajes cuando jackson convencio a su madre para quedarse a solas con el gran caqon. fue ahi cuando supuestamente empezo el abuso...las dos supuestas victimas coinciden en que el cantante practicaba simulacros pr si alguna vez eran sorprendidos por una tercera persona... escuchemos lo que dijo robson reportera: estaremos pendientes de esta segunda parte que saldrÁ hoy. pamela: cuatro horas de fuertes declaraciones. borja: estÁbamos comentando que los detalles son muy escabrosos. si se llega a comprobar lo que ellos dicen, serÍan acusaciones muy graves. pamela: cuando michael jackson estuvo bajo investigaciÓn, estos dos jÓvenes negaron el abuso, y no sabemos por quÉ decide romper el silencio tras deshagas de la muerte de michael jackson. estos hombres eran niÑos. borja: hablemos de polÍtica, porque el ex gobernador de colorado se postulÓ como presidente. el demÓcrata ayudó a revivir la eco

now, mr robson and james safechuck say they were victims of the global star. he immediately started to tell me and train me on how to lie about what was happening between us. first, he would tell me that what this is, this sexual activity, is because he and i love each other. and this is how we show our love. and then he would immediately follow that up with, but if anybody else in the world ever found out what we were doing, people are ignorant, they wouldn‘t understand, and what would happen is that you and i would go to jail for the rest of our lives and our lives would fall apart. he and i would be pulled apart. all of this was terrifying to me. and so... one, of course, the idea of going to jail, two, the idea of being pulled away from michael. now, this man, this otherworldly figure, this god to me who had now become my best friend, no way was i ever going to do anything that would pull me away from him. and, um, so... that training started day one. it continued all the way through, all through years and years and years, and then when the first allegatio

wade robson and james safechuck say they were aged seven and ten when the singer befriended them anddenied the claims. now let's speak to laura snapes, music journalist at the guardian. at the heart of this is whether you can separate the arch from the artist, and therefore whatever they have done their music lives on.|j think in music if you compare it to other art forms, with writing and acting there is always distance between the person creating the art and what they are betraying within it, but music is so close, the creator and what they are making, it is really pa rt creator and what they are making, it is really part of them. and in essence we can't separate it, if these accusations are true, and i believe they are, then everything about the allure of michaeljackson asa about the allure of michaeljackson as a pop star, how famous and untouchable he was, this is what allowed him untouchable he was, this is what allowed hi m access untouchable he was, this is what allowed him access to those children and allowed parents to feel safe putting children in his hands so i think it is