. ♪ james sawyer is a former marine who served or tours in afghanistan. -- is a bomb disposal expertho was seriously wounded. like them, more than 800,000 u.s. troops have been deployed to afghanistan over the past 20 years. writing together reminds them of the camaraderie of the army. ♪ >> this song started playing when we were driving. he sets it off. >> since joe biden announced a full withdrawal of u.s. troops in afghanistan back in april, kumble and most of the country have fallen to the taliban. the withdrawal was a mistake for sawyer, especially when it comes to fighting terrorism. >> i don't think the job will ever be done. one of the reasons i did what i did for 20 years is to stop it and prevent it from spreading any further. i definitely see it gaining steam and taking over the country of afghanistan and pushing even outside of it. >> he was already serving when terrorists attacked the u.s. in 2001. a life-changing event for him, like many americans. believes this war was unavoidable. >> i think if we didn't, it would have been much worse. even the attacks on the u.s., on

ventures of tom sawyer, 1865, katherine drinker bolin tom wolf the bonfire of the vanities and larry mercury lonesome dove. currently mr. shirley is reading jameswanson's end of days. napoleon hill's think and growd rich, f john beauchamp's franklin winston and michael dobbs one minute to midnight. a lot of history titles there, mr. shirley. one stood out to me that was napoleon hill's think and grow rich. what is thatat about? >> that book has been around for 100 years. my grandmother georgia turned me onto it as a young boy. it is kind of a different two, it is inspirational but how you achieve success with your spiritual means, your economic social means. just to re-energize my thinking every couple of years now. when i hire a new pr firm i gave them a copy of think and grow rich because he is so much useful information. >> another book you chose your rereading cs lewis' the screwtape letters, why? >> i love cs lewis. he proved that you can be spiritual and be a libertarian. and his case he was a christian and libertarian. it teaches the lord's work is the double what he is teaching how to ruin people's lives. things to avoid things to know

ventures of tom sawyer, 1865, katherine drinker bolin tom wolf the bonfire of the vanities and larry mercury lonesome dove. currently mr. shirley is reading jameswanson's end of days. napoleon hill's think and growd rich, f john beauchamp's franklin winston and michael dobbs one minute to midnight. a lot of history titles there, mr. shirley. one stood out to me that was napoleon hill's think and grow rich. what is thatat about? >> that book has been around for 100 years. my grandmother georgia turned me onto it as a young boy. it is kind of a different two, it is inspirational but how you achieve success with your spiritual means, your economic social means. just to re-energize my thinking every couple of years now. when i hire a new pr firm i gave them a copy of think and grow rich because he is so much useful information. >> another book you chose your rereading cs lewis' the screwtape letters, why? >> i love cs lewis. he proved that you can be spiritual and be a libertarian. and his case he was a christian and libertarian. it teaches the lord's work is the double what he is teaching how to ruin people's lives. things to avoid things to know