house and john podesta and james sperling were very helpful. some of another issue, and we're going to use justice scalia again on this, and i will sling in a moment. watch what he says about this is not a legal issue, but it is an important issue, as you will see, before the supreme court. >> if i really thought it would educate the american people, i would be all for it. if the american people sat down, what star proceedings gavel to gavel, they would never again asked -- joe scalia, why do you have to be a lawyer to be on the supreme court? the constitution doesn't say -- the constitution does not say so, but if you know what the supreme court is -- that is not usually what we are doing. with theually dealing internal revenue code, with patent law, all sorts of dull stuff that only a lawyer could understand and perhaps get interested in. if the american people saw all of that, they would be educated, but they wouldn't see all of that. what most of the american people would see would be 32nd, 15 second takeouts from our argument and those tak

you were appointed by bill clinton, but you also gave a nod to james sperling, who has worked for the clinton for years, also barack obama, for helping in this whole thing. we saw patrick moynihan. did you want to be a judge? >> i got the position primarily because of senator moynihan. in 1998 -- i think that he knew he wasn't likely to run again. he probably had already decided. i have worked with him on so many projects over the years. he was such a great mentor. and he raised the idea of becoming a judge. there was a vacancy that was again -- identified in the second circuit. i think dick eaton may have identified the vacancy, who worked for senator moynihan. so, senator moynihan was the moving force. and james sperling, who would then a research assistant to steve hess at brookings, when i first got to brookings -- >> who used to work for eisenhower. >> who used to work for eisenhower. was a good friend. so he was helpful on the white house and. the other thing that was really quite fortunate for me was i was known to people on the hill because of work i had done on the hill, and