we are very glad to have those listeners, and i'm talking with james srodes, the author of "one dupont circle: franklin and eleanor roosevelt and the progressives who shaped our world." we can be seen globally on the broadcast outlets on the voice of america. james, next question. today everything we try to measure it. does this come out of that love of scientists -- that love of science, the scientific solution? >> absolutely. >> polling shows there are synthetic news organizations that report what they have been told as hard news, and it changes things. >> it has replaced reporting. >> we have been through other periods like that. there was a period when business reporters, which both you and i did once, where to call up analysts. we said, wait a minute, why don't you just go find out, wdo not have these targets do it. how much of the rest of today's world was shaken by this thinking? and this fascination with this belief that science could be the basis of good government and social justice. >> well, it informed, among other things, a brand new concept of the role of america as the w