and then, eventually, james tiptry jr. was outed as a woman. now, when that happened, alice sheldon said, well, that's a relief, i don't have to do that anymore, and she kept writing. nobody wanted to read the work. [laughter] and it's melodramatic to say she eventually committed suicide, which she did, and i don't want to say this is a cause and effect. i don't think it helped. so i think that there is a very persistent attitude about, you know, what kind of work men produce, and its signature is really what we're talking about here. not creativity, not imagination, not skill, signature. is this a man's name or a woman's name? that's why, you know, a lot -- in europe still, a lot of writers publish under their initials. p.d. james, mystery writers particularly. women writers will publish under initials because they're gender-neutral, and people don't necessarily know whether it's map or a woman -- man or a woman they're reading, and by the time they discern it, it's too late to change their mind. i think all these things make a big difference.