we call our project jamestown rediscovery, and so we're the jamestown rediscovery project of preservation, virginia, we do not get federal support and we do not get state support for our work, so we're highly reliant on donations, visitors coming, because we get half of the gate receipts. on visitors coming through. and grants and that's how we survive, it's hard in these times. this site is incredibly rich. it's just amazing. and we've been walking over the material all these years, you know, it's been under our feet. when everyone was saying the fort was out in the river. so, i mean, it's just astounding that there's so much material. and i thought about why. for one thing there was so much death in the early years and sickness. i think a lot of things just got thrown away because they didn't belong to people anymore. they sort of were objects, possessions without a possessor, and they just -- and people just didn't have the willpower to do much of anything. we found a lot, like, lead thrown away that could have been reused and recycled and it wasn't, just tossed out. i think that's one

. >> i'm the senior curator for the jamestown rediscovery project. it's a project of preservation virginia. the first statewide historic preservation organization in the united states. it is confusion, that there are so many jamestowns and many people visit jamestown and it turns out that they never we want to the real place, the place where all the history happened. so there's a jamestown that's a living history museum. jamestown settlement and they interpret jamestown and they have three wonderful ships and they've reconstructed a fort and an indian village and a huge museum over there. that's a state-run organization. so they get state funding for that. and then the island itself, the original site of jamestown, is co-managed by the national park service and preservation virginia so it's an unusual private/public partnership that goes on here. the park service owns the majority of the island, 1500 acres. preservation virginia has around 23. they're 23 acres incorporated the site of the original fort, the church, the church tower and the last govern