i don't think he is on the level, no. >> cnn special correspondent jamie gangel joins us now.s idea. i'm guessing it was you. that's a genius -- you should have chinese food with everybody. this is a really great, fascinating to watch, you know, them sit around having dumplings and just chewing the fat. >> the shrimp dumplings were excellent, for the record. i will also say that i don't think that flip phone is going away any time soon. and even though nancy pelosi is stepping down as speaker, she will remain in congress. i will guarantee you that they are still going to be talking four or five times a day on the phone. it's quite a relationship. and what the chinese restaurant gave us tonight, anderson, is just a look behind the scenes at the way they really are. >> yeah, that's what's so fascinating about it. you see two people who know each other obviously, and it's just fascinating to see them interact, interact with you. i seriously think you should do them all. >> all future interviews at chinese restaurants, done. >> jamie gangel, thank you so much. i want to come. >>>

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jamie gangel, thanks so much. you can see jamie's exclusive interview with schumer and pelosi on "ac 360" tonight. also alleged multiple threats against members of congress using anti-semitic slurs saying he would murder members. they had to get additional security. paula inflationula reid is follr us. >> he left 400 voice mails for members of congress with threats including anti-semitism, sexist, racist language and even threats of cannibalism against lawmakers. staffers first contacted capitol police early last year after receiving some voice mails, but even after warning directly from law enforcement, he allegedly continued to make these threats over the past two years. court documents do provide some insight into his overall mental state. the mental health workers where he lived told law enforcement he is a paranoid schizophrenic, and the officer who is responded when these threats were made, they describe their conversations with him as paranoid and nonsensical. he was arrested on wednesday. he now faces seven

and we just learned just coming in my colleague jamie gangel learning from a source that will include assisting an insurrection. how significant is this development? >> i think it's a very significant development. it's not one that anybody anticipated even those of us who have followed the committee very closely. it's especially important because it's the one charge that would tie the former president to the violence that so many americans saw on their tv sets and elsewhere. and that's the big question many americans would have is is there any criminal liability on the part of president trump for the violent attack on the capitol? the other charges, obstruction of the proceedings, using a lawyer to do so, or pressuring mike pence or using false slates of electors, those are separate. and this one goes right to the heart of the violent attack, and it is going to be a more difficult one for the justice department to take up so it would be important to see what evdenchary record the committee lays out. >> from talking to sources they've been trying to figure out not only the criminal ref

cnn special correspondent jamie gangel is working the story for us.ve elie honig standing by and cnn senior crime and justice reporter katelyn pole la polantz is back was. what are you learning who the select committee is working for these very serious criminal referrals? >> wolf we have new insight. this is first on cnn into the deliberations about these criminal referrals from our january 6th team. i just want to give credit, pamela brown, sara murray have all been working on this story. according to multiple sources, cnn has learned that in addition to former president donald trump, the committee is considering criminal referrals for at least four other people who the committee believes played significant roles around the january 6th insurrection. so here we go. under consideration, first of all, trump's former white house chief of staff mark meadows, who had a front row seat to trump's actions, his inactions, and provided some of those critical text messages to the committee before he stopped cooperating. second, conservative lawyer john eastman,

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jamie gangel sits down with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer for their first joint interview and back withs john berman, congressman espiat and congressman joe walsh. let's listen to this sitdown over lunch with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. they're talking about if they would like president biden to run again. >> this is the cnn poll that just came out that shows there's little appetite on both sides for a biden/trump rematch in 2024. you're stepping aside. do you think president biden should step aside for a younger generation? >> i think president biden has done an excellent job as president of the united states. i hope that he does seek reelection. he's a person with a great vision for our country. he's been involved for a long time, so he has great knowledge of the issues and the challenges we face and he's the most empathetic president. he connects with the american people. the vision, the knowledge, the strategic thinking is all here. the empathy is from the heart and i think that he's been a great president. >> look at what he's accomplished. >> you think he should run again? >>

let's break all of this down with cnn special correspondent jamie gangel, elie honing, and the author of the best selling book, confidence man, the making of donald trump and the breaking of america. maggie, you also have significant reporting right now on the additional classified documents that were found. what can you tell us? >> so, wolf, these documents, these additional documents were found in a sealed box in this storage unit that exists in west palm beach about 15 minutes or so away from mar-a-lago, and the trump folks let the doj know they had found this. as we understand it there was some kind of notification, whether that is going to satisfy the doj this is everything is really unclear. you know, they supposedly searched three other areas as well and found nothing, but given the fact things keep turning up in various places i think the ball is going to be in doj's court now to try to decide whether taking their word for it is enough or whether to search again or find some other measure to get people to swear that this is everything. >> and ellie, as you know the former pres

jamie gangel, audi cornish, and andrew mccabe, and jamie, let me start with what he just talked abouttive summary, and i assume the full report on wednesday, assessing the credibility of different witnesses, telling people this is who we think is telling the truth and this is who we think is less reliable. now, they don't call people liars the way that we might, not andrew, but the way that we might, you know, over a drink or two. but for instance, when it comes to former white house deputy chief of staff tony ornato, -- >> don't recall, don't recall, don't recall. >> the select committee found multiple parts of ornato's testimony questionable. that's what i'm saying. we don't think he's telling us the truth. the select committee finds difficult to believe that neither mark meadows nor ornado told trump, as was their job, about the intelligence that was emerging as the january 6th rally approached. they're saying they think meadow is a liar, they think ornato is a liar, they're not saying it like, that but that's the message they're conveying. >> no question about it. look, there's a

in their interview with jamie gangel, they discussed what it was like to negotiate with former presidentd i think some shrimp at their favorite chinese restaurant. >> there's a cnn poll that just came out that shows there's little appetite on both sides for a biden/trump rematch in 2024. you're stepping aside. do you think president biden should step aside for a younger generation? >> i think president biden has done an excellent job as president of the united states. i hope that he does seek re-election. he's been a great president. >> look at what he's accomplished. >> you think he should run again? >> yeah. he's done an excellent, excellent job, and if he runs, i'm going to support him all the way. >> right now, donald trump is the only republican who has announced. he could be the nominee. he could be president again. you've been through the first presidency. you have been through january 6th. what would it mean if donald trump was re-elected president? >> i don't think it'll happen. the american people have gotten wise to him. it took a little while, but they did. >> i don't think t

. >>> now to nancy pelosi senate majority leader chuck schumer sitting down with jamie gangel.sident biden to run for a second time. listen. >> you're stepping aside, do you think president biden should step aside for a younger generation? >> i think president biden has done an excellent job as president of the united states. i hope that he does seek re-election. >> you think he should run again? >> yeah. he's done an excellent, excellent job. if he runs, i'm going to support him all the way. >> joining me with more host of the state the union, dana bash. over the lunch, a perfect jamie gengel sitdown. and i enjoyed the same thing. >> and they didn't miss a beat and the speaker was answering questions mid bite of whatever she was eating. >> it is also -- talk about like a -- a challenge. walking and chewing gum. this is like a high wire act. like eating and doing an interview is very challenging and very -- it is like a high risk situation. >> we've seen her walk those marble walls in heels. >> so pelosi and schumer are weighing in on biden running, not running and saying they

speaking of re-elections, so we have heard from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, jamie gangel.t interview. >> i think president biden has done an excellent job as president of the united states. i hope that he does seek re re-el re-election. i t >> if he runs i'm going to support him all the way. >> of course that's expected. at least from the most powerful i guess leaders in the democratic party. but when you look at the polls, errol, especially some recent cnn polling, it shows the majority of republicans, along with the majority of democrats and leaning democrats, they do not want to see a trump/biden rematch in 2024. so what's the alternative? >> well, that's the question, isn't it? interestingly enough, there are comparable numbers, as you say. 60% of republicans don't want to see trump run again. and a comparable amount of democrats don't want to see biden run again. when asked who you would prefer as an alternative, 72% couldn't name anybody. as biden likes to say don't compare me to the almighty. compare me to the alternative. what are you going to complain about, that

colleagues, house speaker nancy pelosi and senate majority leader chuck schumer sat down with jamie gangeld war stories over chinese food all the way back to 1957 when they were introduced by schumer's roommate. >> he said there's a new person joining our group, the new congress member from san francisco. before i met her she will become the first woman speaker. that's what he said. >> you really knew the first time. >> i knew she would be a force. >> you know everybody's phone number. >> i probably dial hers more than just about anyone other than people in my family. >> here's the thing, i say this all the time. he has -- what do you call that phone? >> a flip phone. >> if he had a regular smartphone, we could reduce the number of conversations because i could just text him. >> jamie gangle joins us to share her reporting. very clever year end use of your expense account. in honor of that i decided to have dumplings brought in for the table. you're not the only one getting away with this. >> you noticed i did not eat on camera. >> but you can right now if you wish. we're having fun with t

>> this comes from myself, pamela brown, jamie gangel.awyer his work for cassidy hutchinson passantino was an ethics lawyer in donald trump's white house. then he started a political law firm. that firm has been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars this year alone by donald trump's political fundraising groups. and that included, we were able to confirm, payments for passantino repliresent cassidy hutchinson. she got a new lawyer, but became the star witness. now the house is publicly raising concerns about that entire setup. they have other concerns too, john, this lawyer, and it's a long list. this lawyer was telling her not to recall facts she did recall, not to clarify testimony that she believed was inaccurate. and on something that would cast a bad light on donald trump, he told her we don't want to go there. we don't want to talk about that. that is all according to the committee which spoke to cassidy hutchinson many times. they never reached out to passantino. he has also not been charged with any crime. but he did provide us wi

. >> on that note i have reporting with jamie gangel that they believe the former ethics lawyer was tryingo get the star witness cassidy hutchinson to mislead the committee, something he denies but it's a significant part of it. >> it's significant in particular because this lawyer prior to joining the trump administration was working in georgia where his reputation was helping republican lawmakers stay on the right side of ethics and stay out of trouble, so what he's being accused of doing according to the cnn report something very troubling and could get him in some trouble, you know, with the bar and things like that. i think what we're also going to learn from this committee report isn't just what people said but what they didn't say. who pled the fifth. who had their attorney there stopping them from saying too much and that didn't always get touched on as much in the hearings but the transcripts were really laying it out in ways that may be enlightening. >> cassidy hutchinson said there was so much focus on her testimony. i'm also as a journalists want to see this and what else came

more interesting to hear it come from nancy pelosi, which is obviously the way that our colleague jamie gangel in her early '80s, a bit older than joe biden. she's stepping down. if they won the majority, the democrats, i'm not so sure that she would be stepping down. >> for sure. >> it really speaks to -- you're right, the change in the feeling about the president among democrats. i wouldn't call it a sea change, though. when it comes to his policies, when it comes to his accomplishments, sure. there is still real concern about the fact that he's 80 years old. i know it seems to anger him and it's understandable that it does because he says he feels like he's up for it, but that is part of the conversation and that is what he's going to have to prove to the american people, both in a campaign and of course after that if he -- if he -- or in the last two years of his term, i should say. >> on that 80 age issue i had heard that dr. jill biden was going to be the one, if anyone, who would say, do you know what, time to move on, but our kate bennett, our colleague's report is that she's on board

mark preston, cnn senior political analyst and correspondent with us nia mallika henderson and jamie gangelspecial conc conrespondent. you have criminal referrals about to go forward presumably including criminal referrals against former president trump and some of his closest allies. >> correct, wolf. what the committee announced today, the chairman of the committee announced that they will make criminal referrals. we are told that donald trump is likely front and center and that there will be people around him. we don't know how many. we don't have names. but we were told quote it will be focused on the main organizers and leaders of the attacks. let's just be clear for a minute. it is symbolic that congress is doing it. they are not the prosecutors. the department of justice will then decide whether to indict and go forward. but the committee believes this is critical as a way of completing its work for the record, for history and here is something we really isn't discussed about what they're doing to be able to say to doj. we know the committee has really been ahead of the justice depar

cnn's jamie gangel has more on that. this is largely symbolic.rtment doesn't need a criminal referral. talk about their decision. >> first of all our understanding donald trump is likely to be one of those referrals. what's key here is to expect referrals for other people. we don't know how many, we don't know the names yet, but one source told us the other referrals will be, quote, focused on the main organizers and leaders of the attacks. and anderson, when you said it is symbolic, there is something important about doing this. first of all the committee considers this a critical part of their work, for the record, for history to complete their investigation. but let's not forget the committee has been ahead of the justice department. they have a lot of testimony, evidence, interviews that the justice department doesn't have. so when these referrals go to justice department, it is a letter we can expect underlying evidence, testimony, information to go to justice that they probably don't have yet. that is critical. one senator said to me it wou

. >> that's something there.om okay, first ofething t all, howe jamie gangel get all of these poor muslim? y it's all right. and nancy is on her teeth. doig what is she doing there? does she get something inthat between those molars that can cn be ver be very, very, very difficult to do? >> i will say this about about h this whole undertaking. to it is amazing to see these two. they almost finish each other'sl sentences. it is a real collaboration. you don't havehing anything like this on the gop side because these two will not tolerate dissent and they operate as one. aps one.pterrifg to pick u on . but ityi is sort of terrifyinglb watching this display, because no matter whatec happens at thi lunch, laura , you pictak up the tab there is one curious moment when biden came up and the geriatrics pledged their fealty. >> i think president biden has done an excellent job as president of the united states . i hope that he does seeka look reelection. he's been a great what he's accomplished called donald trump, quote, insane>>. i think there's a need for an intervention there by his family or

let me start with you, jamie gangel. think it's impossible to overstate the drama of this moment and import in american history. this has never happened before. >> no question, it is historic. let's just go back a minute. these hearings started with liz cheney saying president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob and lit the flame of this attack. and jake, that's where we're going to end today that all roads lead to donald trump. i will tell you according to sources familiar with the report, what we've heard about these criminal charges, i was today, it is a small piece of the pie. i think we're going to see rather extensive details. and just i think it's important to remember what the committee's mission is with the department of justice. as we've been saying, this is symbolic in a certain way that they're sending this over. they do not have the power to indict, to prosecute, to quick convict, but the committee sees these referralses tos as critic show no one is above the law, even a former president. >> right. and