we got the essence of what we wanted which was a statement of how this woman jamie herrera-beutler. i think what you are doing is making a lot out of it and dismissing the incredible evidence of habit, mayhem and what this president had done over at period of months to bring destruction to our democracy by talking about if you had two or three more witnesses what was going to happen. >> one thing i would add, remember there's a reason that the request for witnesses comes at the conclusion of the case. we had an opportunity to see the former president's counsel and decided whether we needed to provide additional witnesses and don't forget our case was filled with dozens of witnesses presented by way of videos and statements and recordings and last night we learned about this new information and begot that testimony in the record before the jury without any risk associated with it. that's important to remember produces a congresswoman who repeats a telephone call between kevin mccarthy and the former president within which kevin mccarthy is pleading for help saying help us we are unde

vascepa. >>> we have more on the breaking news at this hour from republican congresswoman jamie herrera-beutlerealing what donald trump said to kevin mccarthy in an angry phone call during the invasion of the capitol. in a written statement tonight, congresswoman herrera-beutler says, when mccarthy finally reached the president on january 6th and asked him to publicly and forcefully call off the riot, the president initially repeated the falsehood that it was antifa that breached the capitol. mccarthy refuted that and told the president that these were trump supporters. that's when, according to mccarthy, the president said, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. joining our discussion now, white house correspondent for pbs news hour and nbc political analyst and elizabeth drew, political journalist and author. she covered watergate for "the new yorker." you have covered as a journalist everything impeachment proceeding against a president in the 20th and 21st century. you're the only one in this forum tonight who has done that. what do you make of thi

>> well, actually, i gave a lot of credit to adam kinzinger, and others who voted with jamie herrera beutler. but she showed a lot of courage. and what she saw matched the time line we put forward forward, which was the president had knowledge about mike pence, the threat to pence, the threat to the capitol. and instead of doing something, sending in the guard, calling off or condemning the rioters, he took great delight in it and showed scorn to kevin mccarthy, because mccarthy wasn't with him. >> i want to follow up on something you said a little bit earlier about the former president being potentially prosecuted for criminal or civil liability. talk more about that. first of all, where do you think and how do you think that could happen? and secondly, i guess, as part of that question, is do you want the biden justice department to pursue charges? >> the biden justice department should just follow the law and i quoted churchill in the trial. and as it relates to accountability, you know, this is not the end of accountability for donald trump. it's not the beginning of the end. it may be t

her name jamie herrera beutler from washington state. she put out a statement that's somewhat unusual, all of you guys get thousands of statements, but the last line of this statement said if there's anyone who has more information about this phone call between kevin mccarthy and donald trump on the day of the riot, now is the time to come forward and actually say it. it was a very clear signal, it seems, both to other republicans in the house and public signal to the house impeachment manager there is more information out there that may be relevant to the case that they are making. so that is how we got here. jamie raskin, house lead manager, went down to the floor and said i want to call a witness. there's a lot of technical process involved in this. it's all pretty arcane. the vote they took was a vote on opening debate on witnesses. so they basically retreated to their offices and leaders are hovering to get a plan that everyone can get behind to figure out how to proceed. the republican side of this, and i know hallie has been doing

but last night congressman jamie herrera-beutler app washingtonon state issued a statement confirming that in the middle of the insurrection when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help president trump responded m and i quote well kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election then you are. needless to say, this is an additional critical piece of corroborating evidence further confirming the charges before you as well as the presidents willful dereliction of duty and desertion of duty as commander-in-chief of the united states, his state of mind and is further incitement of the insurrection on january 6. for that reason because this is the proper time to do so under the resolution the senate adopted to accept the rules for theen trial we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera-beutler regarding her committee patients with house leader kevin mccarthy and subpoena her contemporaneous notes that she made regarding what president trump told kevin mccarthy in the middle of the insurrection. we are prepared to proceed by

congresswoman jamie herrera beutler who revealed president trump's reluctance to call off the rioters to her account of a call between president trump and kevin mccarthy. they are sadly the exceptions. joining me is republican larry hogan of maryland. the senate fell short for conviction. seven senate republicans did break with their party, voted to convict former president trump. would you have voted to convict and what does the final vote count say about the gop? >> well, first of all, i think there were a lot more people who didn't have the courage to vote that way who may have been convinced and moved by the argument, but you're right, there weren't enough people willing to stand up. there were ten members of the house and seven members of the senate who did. i'm proud of them, because sometimes it's not -- it's not easy to go against your party and the base of your party and the former president and -- but it's hard to do the right thing sometimes, but i think -- i'm proud of those folks who did take that decision and put the country ahead of party or personal affection or whatev

reporter: that part of a statement house managers read aloud from republican congresswoman jamie herrera-beutler who says she was briefed on the call. the former president's defense dismissing the impeachment as political. >> if you don't impeachment him he might be elected again. >> reporter: house leaders pleading to disregard politics. >> the country in the world know who donald trump is. this trial is about who we are. >> reporter: the senate today writing the last chapter in the presidency of donald trump. >> in a written statement just after the vote, former president trump said the make america great again movement has only just begun, teasing that he'll have more to share in the months ahead. terry, back to you. >> alice, thanks very much. house speaker nancy pelosi reacting to today's vote by really going after senate republicans. >> but what we saw in that senate today was a cowardly group of republicans who apparently have no options because they were afraid to defend their job, respect the institution in which they serve. >> she also took aim at senate minority leader mitch mcconnell

as saturday's session came to order a surprise development, a republican congresswoman, jamie herrera beutlerween donald trump and the lead republican in the house, kevin mccarthy, a call that had taken place as the january 6 riots were unfolding. in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, "well, kevin, iguess these people are more upset about the election than you are." the prosecution and trump's legal team weighed whether to subpoena witnesses like miss herrera beutler. but in the end, the two sides reached an agreement. her statement would be admitted to the record and the closing arguments were made. senators, we proved he betrayed his country. we proved he betrayed his constitution. his oath of office. the startling thing to recognizse now is that he is even betraying the mob. he told them he would march with them, and he didn't. they believed the president was right there with them somewhere in the crowd, fighting the fantasy conspiracy to steal the election and steal their c

as saturday's session came to order a surprise development, a republican congresswoman, jamie herrera beutlerald trump and the lead republican in the house, kevin mccarthy, a call that had taken place as the january 6 riots were unfolding. in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, "well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are." the prosecution and trump's legal team weighed whether to subpoena witnesses like miss herrera beutler. but in the end, the two sides reached an agreement. her statement would be admitted to the record and the closing arguments were made. senators, we proved he betrayed his country. we proved he betrayed his constitution. we proved he betrayed his oath of office. the startling thing to recognizse now is that he is even betraying the mob. he told them he would march with them, and he didn't. they believed the president was right there with them somewhere in the crowd, fighting the fantasy conspiracy to steal the election an

lead house impeachment manager jamie raskin saying republican congresswoman jamie herrera beutler must be subpoenaed to testify. >> needless to say, this is an additional critical piece of corroborating evidence. >> reporter: it came after news reports overnight about that heated phone call between republican leader kevin mccarthy and former president donald trump in the middle of the riot. herrera beutler saying mccarthy told her it was a shouting match. mccarthy pleading with trump to tell his supporters to stand down saying, quote, "you've got to hold them. you need to get on tv right now. you need to get on twitter. you need to call these people off." trump responding, "kevin, they're not my people." mccarthy then saying this, quote, "yes, they are. they just came through my windows and my staff is running for cover. yeah, they're your people. call them off." the former president telling mccarthy, quote, "well, i guess these people are just more angry about the election and upset than you are." [ crowd chanting "hang mike pence" ] >> reporter: that afternoon, mccarthy told abc news

all of it according to congresswoman jamie herrera beutler. mccarthy pleading with trump to tell his supporters to stand down. the former president telling mccarthy, "well, i guess these people are just more angry about the election and upset than you are." but as trump moves forward, h hh will be doing it without the support of senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. though he voted to acquit, he had this warning. >> he didn't get away with anything yet. yet. >> we heard senator mcconnell say that over the weekend, rachel. we know there's a potential criminal investigation in georgia. you've reported on this, looking into those phone calls with election officials there, including that call to the georgia secretary of state when the former president said, i just want to find those 11,780 votes. so, rachel, what did mcconnell mean by saying "yet?" >> reporter: well, georgia is still looking into that, launching that criminal investigation. donald trump still denying any wrongdoing here, david, and tonight, he is plotting out his next steps. he

what i expect jamie raskin will say is we've spoken to congresswoman herrera beutler, she is availableday, we will do that deposition tomorrow, we will present to you monday what she said, and we'll be prepared to close. now, the wrinkle here is trump's defense lawyers should be able to get an equal number of witnesses as what the impeachment managers will ask for. i think the democrats will vote for an equal number. certainly the last time around when we were talking about witnesses, there was always this notion of an equal number. i think that's what's perceived as fair. there will have to be relevant witnesses as claire pointed out from trump's side. it's very dangerous for them to call a witness that they don't know what that witness is going to say. the managers know what congresswoman beutler is going to say for the most part because she already said it. if trump's lawyers just call nancy pelosi out of the blue, i mean, she will destroy them and hurt them, so that is a terrible strategy. so i don't know, you know, if they want to call some fbi agent and talk about what threats th

of the house managers call representative jamie herrera beutler it is likely president trump's lawyers will call nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi is clearly a relevant witness to this matter. speaker pelosi can testify when she knew about the threats on the capital -- capitol and testify we heard the house sergeant at arms turned down national guard protection for the capitol on january 6th because of the optics. speaker pelosi can testify whether she made a decision based on optics, based on politics, not to have additional protection at the capitol to prevent a terrorist attack played out. my view is we don't need witnesses but i think if the democrats want to open this pandora's box i don't think it will work out well for them. >> what about witnesses? why not? 's senator cruz:there is a tradition that any individual is not required to testify at their own trial. i don't think we should attempt to force the president to testify at his own impeachment trial. the house managers are the prosecutors. they have the burden of proof. they haven't proven their case. the reason you are seeing this

more evidence, over the following 30 minutes president trump spoke to kevin mccarthy and as jamie herrera beutler revealed, evidence that has been stipulated as part of the evidentiary every record in that conversation, kevin mccarthy is pleading with the former president to do something. he first tries to assign the blame to another group and these are your supporters, mister president. what does the president say in response? not him people -- sent people right away, and didn't realize you were in danger. well, kevin, i is these people are more upset about the election than you are. i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are, the president just said he conveyed in that tweet at 6:0 one was essentially saying you got what you deserve. let me say that again, the president is fully aware of the vice president's situation and the situation we are all in, he was asked to send to the capital after inciting this violence against his own vice president, president trump refused that request for assistance and he told us why. his singular focus, stopping the certification of the

this is from congresswoman jamie herrera-beutler and pittman's response shortly after. listen. very clear that their headpieces, like the communications pieces, they were getting no actual real communication. they were getting no leadership. they were getting no direction. there was no coordination and you could see the fear in their eyes. >> when there's a breakdown, you look for those commanders with boots on the ground to provide that instruction. that did not happen primarily because those operational commanders at the time were so overwhelmed. >> so, phil, it seems like a complete breakdown of command and control. so, what's supposed to happen in situations like this? >> well, look, i have sympathy, not a great deal, but a little bit of sympathy. how could you anticipate, don, that the commander in chief would tell thousands of people, hundred of whom went over into the capitol, thousands of people to go down the street and fight, down the street, that is, from the white house to the capitol? i don't think you can anticipate that. that said -- >> you don't think you can --

, the two sides agreed to submit into the record a statement from republican congresswoman jamie herrera beutler which detailed a phone call to trump from house minority leader kevin mccarthy on january 6th. impeachment managers decided to call her as a witness following a cnn report on the call friday. >> the point is that no number of witnesses demonstrating that donald trump continued to incite the insurrectionists even after the invasion of the capitol would convince them. they wouldn't be convinced. >> reporter: with witnesses off the table, the two sides presented their closing arguments. the prosecution arguing that the evidence made it clear the riot was incited by the former president. >> he named the date, he named the time, and he brought them here, and now he must pay the price. >> reporter: and the trump defense warning the constitutional questions of convicting a former president would impossible to ignore. >> this has been perhaps the most unfair and flagrantly unconstitutional proceeding in the history of the united states senate. >> reporter: when the votes were cast, seven repu

they decided just to put on the record a statement by jamie herrera-beutler about a phone call between kevin mccarthy and president trump on the day of the insurrection where trump told mccarthy that he thought he did not care about the election fraud as much as those rioting. when it was all said and done, as you rightly point out, there were not enough votes to convict president trump this time around. but there were a few surprises. seven republicans in total voting to convict the former president, including bill cassidy of louisiana and richard burr of north carolina. their votes were significant because both of these men had earlier voted that this whole process was unconstitutional. so, they switched their votes after hearing the arguments from the house impeachment managers. then of course there was mitch mcconnell's speech at the end of all of this where he blistered former president trump and his actions on january 6th but argued that it wasn't the responsibility of these u.s. senators to convict him after he was already out of office but suggested that perhaps he could still

we learned today from congressman jamie herrera beutler it is costing taxpayers $2 million a week and there is no clear sense of when it is coming down. >> clearly a concern about security involving the entire capitol complex not just the main buildings but the house and senate office buildings where you can't get close to those areas. i drive around there almost daily and it is really sad but understandable to see what is going on. thank you very much. >>> let's turn now to plans for a commission to investigate the january 6th capitol riot. the house speaker nancy pelosi appears to be backing off her original plan to put more democrats than republicans on this panel. i want to bring in our congressional correspondent jessica dean. pelosi had been getting a lot of pushback from members of both parties. update our viewers on the latest. >> reporter: we heard from house speaker nancy pelosi earlier today, wolf. she said that who gets appointed to this committee can be easily negotiated. those were her words. what she was more concerned about was the scope of the investigation and how th

the impeachment and trial, individuals like lisa murkowski and mitt romney, liz cheney and jamie herrera beutler and adam kinzinger will in fact, rise up and take back control of their party and lead it in the direction that i believe most of the members of the republican party want to go. >> you know, it 's so interesting. we don't hear -- it doesn't feel like we hear often people saying what you just said, which is we -- democrats saying we need an opposing party. we need a republican party in order to, you know, lead this country. we need that give and take that negotiation in order to actually accomplish things and to kind of steer the best course forward. this is an age where owning the libs or, you know, attacking, you know, the far right -- or attacking conservatives is what's popular. >> well, i don't think that's what the majority of members of congress believe. if you look at the democratic party in the house of representatives, the majority makers are in fact those moderates, individuals who come from the purple states. i'm happy to be one of the leaders of the new democratic collisio

you saw jamie herrera beutler come out at the end of the impeachment process to say, hey, i've got informationoath. if the politics of this move, though, as quickly toward donald trump as they seem to be, is there any chance we'll actually learn the truth? >> well, that's the big question, right? i mean, it's almost remarkable in a way that all we know about where president trump was on the day, what he was doing, is basically from contemporaneous news reports. we went through an impeachment trial where we did not get really much light shed on this. we know through the other end of a couple phone calls what he was saying. but beyond that, nothing. and so, this commission could theoretically benefit if it had the right composition and if it had members who were willing to probe, if it had subpoena power, if it understood that its scope was to figure out questions like that, that were directly pertinent to january 6th. the question is, will they have that type of subpoena power? will they have the right composition of members? will they have a defined scope? and i think you've kind of hit the na

and we initially when we heard the news of this, like, really unbelievable statement by jamie herrera beutler that had been relayed to her by kevin mccarthy, the president, again, was advised the capitol was under attack, his own vice president, and they were pleading for help and he basically said, "well, kevin, obviously they care about the election more than you do." utter dereliction of duty and betrayal of his oath of office. our goal was to get that before the jury. before the senators. unlike most trials, the witnesses don't come to the senate floor and raise their hand and testify in public. it's done by way of deposition. so what would have happened is she would have been deposed, given that testimony, it would have been read on the senate floor as part of our case. when the republicans agreed that her statement would be admitted into the evidentiary record and we could then rely upon it because it was part of the official record of the case, we got everything we wanted without any risk, that is the ability to find her, the certainty that she would come, maybe the likelihood the repu

the senate majority called for one witness, congresswoman jamie herrera beutler talking about a phone conversation on january 6th. that has passed. they are trying to figure out how to move forward. we'll go off the air and you'll be watching gma. we'll come back as news warrants in this impeachment trial the second impeachment trial of donald john trump. >>> welcome back to "gma." coming up, tory johnson with "deals & steals" that let you treat yourself on this galentine's day. that's right ahead. >>> but right now it's time for -- ♪ i never wanna ♪ >> i love that. >> wow. >> okay. >> i couldn't like register if that was really happening. >> can you sing more? that sounded really good. >> dan. that takes me back. it's time for "pop news" and dua lipa, i'm matching this background again. i keep doing that. dua lipa is helping us count down to valentine's day with a breakup anthem. the pop star dropping her brand-new song "we're good" along with a retro style music video where she performs it on a cruise ship but with some surprises and didn't stop there. dua lipa also released the "mo

. >> reporter: that evidence, an account from representative jamie herrera-beutler, who came forwardh explosive details about a heated phone call between kevin mccarthy and trump. she says that mccarthy begged trump to tell the rioters to stand down. trump allegedly responded, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. after republicans threatened to drag out the trial for weeks and delay president joe biden's agenda, both sides eventually agreed to conclude the trial without calling any witnesses. senator mitch mcconnell was 1 of the 43 republicans who voted to acquit. right after the verdict, he torched trump on the senate floor saying he's undeniably guilty. >> no question, none, that president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. no question about it. >> reporter: mcconnell insists his hands were tied, falling back on claims that trying a former president was unconstitutional. >> if president trump were still in office, i would have carefully considered whether the house managers proved their spec

republican congresswoman jamie herrera beutler says trump initially told mccarthy that it was antifaeached the capitol, and when mccarthy refuted that, trump said, quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. nbc news is also reporting a gop lawmaker briefed on the conversation says that mccarthy asked trump at one point "who the expletive do you think you're talking to?" this dramatic turn came when republicans did not get the answers they were looking for from the defense team. they were asked if trump should show concern for the safety of his vice president, mike pence. now, here is the question from senator mitt romney. >> when president trump sent the disparaging tweet at 2:24 p.m. regarding vice president pence, was he aware that vice president had been removed from the senate by the secret service for his safety? >> the answer is no. at no point was the president informed the vice president was in any danger, because the house rushed through this impeachment in seven days with no evidence, there is nothing at all in the record on thi

as part of the bipartisan mentoring caucus, with representative jamie herrera beutler, i look forward to celebrating and promoting mentoring programs across our country. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from north carolina seek recognition? >> madam speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. >> today, i would like to bring attention to a troubling assessment that was issued by the national counterintelligence and security agency on monday. china continues to aggressively seek to acquire americans' genetic information. they have targeted american hotels. they have targeted government agencies, as well as our universities through hacks and ill-intentioned partnerships. they recently even tried to buy fertility clinics in the united states to gather american d.n.a. as was cataloged on "60 minutes" last week, the chinese are now targeting family research databases that americans innocently use to research their family trees. mr. murphy

the statement of our colleague, congresswoman jamie herrera-beutler.on to that and get it into evidence today by asking for her as a witness. mitch mcconnell and the republicans who are now ex explaining why they voted not to convict, all of them are hinging on a legal argument, jurisdictional or legal argument who could never be overcome by any number of witnesses. we could have had 5,000 witnesses and mitch mcconnell would have made the same speech because what he's asserting is that the senate never has jurisdiction over a former president. and for reasons i don't need to belabor because a big part of the trial was about this, we reject that completely. it's totally at odds with our history. the blunt case, the belknap case, the text of the constitution, the original intent of the constitution, the original understanding of the constitution, the senate's own precedence and so on. but in any event, the point is that no number of witnesses demonstrating that donald trump continued to incite this insurrectionists even after the invasion of the capitol

everyone's surprise the lead house impeachment manager jamie raskin asked to call congresswoman jamie herrera-beutlerevin mccarthy and donald trump as the insurrection was under way. as the congresswoman described earlier this week dug a virtual town hall, mccarthy told her trump had refused his pleas to call off the rioters. >> he finally got through to donald trump and said you have got to get on tv. you've got to get on twitter and you've got to call these people off and this is as he's happening. he said kevin, these aren't your people. they literally cam through my office windows and the president's response to me was chilling. well, kevin, i guess they're just more upset about the election theft than you are. >> trump's lawyers warned they'd be requesting more than 100 witnesses of their own and the senate voted to go ahead with five republicans joining democrat, but behind closed doors the two sides worked out a deal to have herrera-beutler's deal to go ahead and that gave the way for closing arguments. >> we proved he betrayed his country. we proved he betrayed his constitution. we proved he

the house impeachment manager jamie raskin asked to subpoena republicanjaime herrera beutler and heres, believing there may be new evidence about a phone call between donald trump and house republican leader kevin mccarthy, while the capitol was under attack. here's what mr raskin had to say. last night, congresswoman jaime herrera last night, congresswomanjaime herrera beutler of washington state issued a statement confirming that, in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about these people are more upset about the election than you are. needless to say, this is an additional, critical piece of corroborating evidence, further confirming the charges before you, as well as the president's wilful dereliction of duty and desertion of duty, as commander in chief of the united states, his state of mind, and his further incitement of the insurrection on january six. further incitement of the insurrection onjanuary six. for that r

surprise, the lead house impeachment manager jamie raskin asked to call republican congresswoman jamie herrera beutleraskin cited the reports that emerged late last night of the congresswoman's account of a phone conversation between house republican leader -- minority leader kevin mccarthy and donald trump, as the insurrection was under way. as the congresswoman described earlier this week during a virtual town hall, mccarthy told her trump had refused his pleas to call off the rioters. >> he finally got through to donald trump and he said, you have got to get on tv, you've got to get on twitter, you got to call these people off. the president said to him, this is as it's happening, he said, well, kevin, these aren't my people, these are antifa. kevin said, no, they are your people. the kevin's response to me was chilling. he said, well, kevin, i guess they're just more upset about the election theft than you are. >> wow. trump's lawyers warned they'd be requesting more than 100 witnesses of their own and the senate voted to go ahead with five republicans joining democrats. but behind closed doors, t

arguments, but there you see jamie raskin saying he is going to call at least one witness in this trial. let's hear what he said. >> last night, congresswoman jaime herrera beutler of washington state issued a statement confirming that in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded and i quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. needless to say, this is an additional critical piece of corroborating evidence further confirming the charges before you, as well as the president's willful dereliction of duty as commander in chief of the united states, his state of mind and his further incitement of the insurrection. because this is the proper time to do so under the resolution the senate adopted, we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman jaime herrera beutler and to subpoena her notes she made regarding what president trump told kevin mccarthy in the middle of the insurrection. we will be prepared to proceed by zoom deposition of an hour or less just as soon as congresswoman jaime herrera beutler is available and p

jamie raskin on this issue of beutler. this was saturday before the impeachment trial concluded. the development came after a republican congress member came for, jaime herreraer, about comments trump made during his assault to kevin mccarthy. >> that last night congress when of washington issued a statement confirming in the middle of the insurrection when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help my president trump responded "well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election then you are." needless to say, this is an additional critical piece of corroborating evidence. for that reason and because this is in the proper time to do so under the resolution the senate adopted to set the rules for the trial, we would like the opportunity to subpoena congress woman herrera. amy: the request by the house impeachment manager to introduce new witnesses prompted this tense debate between the lead house impeachment manager jamie raskin and top defense attorney michael vanderveen. >> the only thing i ask him if you vote for witnesses, do not handcuff me by limiting the number of witnesses that i can have. there's only o

jamie raskin's request this morning surprise you? >> not particularly, because the information that came out last night what congresswoman herrera beutler said was stunning, we need that mccarthy pushed back on trump's allegation that it was antifa which was nonsense, but what we didn't know was that mccarthy reported to those around him that trump was applauding the attack on the capitol, saying that they were more worried about the outcome of the election than you are, kevin. that's an enormously important piece of evidence about trump's state of mind. after all, the charge that he incited this riot and the defense claims that he didn't want there to be an attack on the capitol, this would suggest the opposite. >> jason, i was listening to the questions posited by the senators yesterday and the question that came up several times was when did the president realize what was going on in the senate and what did he do about it? this testimony from congresswoman herrera beutler would seem to go directly to that question. >> look, it shows that the house didn't do its full job. they rushed to judgment. they rushed this impeachment through a