. >> jamie wallace, thank you. six people killed on that train after an suv stalled on those track s tracks. and look at that plane crash in taiwan and joining us to talk about that is mary schiavo and she is an attorney for aviation accidents, and also david soucie author of malaysian flight 5180 and so we just heard pr that horrible story, and many of those perished were from smoke inhalation, a ndnd why is so difficult to escape are from a train? >> well, because they haven't had the evolution as aircraft. and the aircraft fleets change much more quickly han the train cars do. many of the train cars we travel are not years old, but decades' old, and we haven't had the emphasis on the roll inging stock as we have on aviation for upgrading and updating and the crash surviveabilitysurvivability, and it is a push in the aviation world and mot the rail world, and that is why the ntsb made passenger survivalability one of the ten things on the ten most wanted list list. >> i have a couple of things in front of me, and