first up we have jamil jivani, who is a lawyer and author and who has the nonprofit organization aimed at helping young people called road home resource and analysis, he's a graduate of yale law school and the author of the book why young men, the dangerous allure of violent movement and what we can do about it. and i hope we get a chance to talk about that book. our next panelist is rafael mangual, deputy director of legal policy at manhattan institute and written widely of criminal justice system in general and finally, we have coleman hughes and graduate of colombia university, coleman has testified before congress about slavery reparations and written about race including the new york times and wall street journal. so let's get started with the questions, gentlemen, and i thought i would start with you, ralph, and it was a very basic question that i think a lot of people assume, i wanted to get your take on this do we know that the encounter with police was racially motivated, that it happened because floyd is black and we make that assumption and if not, why have so many people ju

first up we have jamil jivani who's a lawyer and author and who has the nonprofit organization aimedat helping young people called road home research and analysis. he is a graduate of yale law school and the author of the book " why young men: the dangerous allure of violent movement and what we can do about it. i hope we have a chance to talk about that. our next panelist is rafael mangual deputy director of legal policy at the manhattan institute and britain widely on the criminal justice system in general. finally, we have coleman hughes his recently joined the manhattan institute another graduate of columbia university. coleman has to testified before congress about slavery reparations let's get started with the questions, gentlemen, i thought i would start with you, ralph with a very basic question i think a lot of people assume but i wanted to get your take on this and that is do we know that the floyd encounter with police was racially motivated that it happened because floyd is black. can we make that assumption? if not, why have so many people jumped to that conclusion? work

and i worry about what that portends. >> how about you, jamil? backlash or will we just see statues of thomas jefferson coming down? >> well, i don't know, i don't think we'll have a violent backlash or anything like that but i do think that when you see more and more groupthink, at an increasing rate, especially of the level of our society, i do believe there's going to be a demand for alternative ways of thinking about these things. we are starting to see that happen. tucker carlson ratings have been going through the roof and all this because people want to hear from somebody to say something different and that is where the backlash will come from is people think i do want to hear this groupthink anymore. let's just hope the people are offering alternative offer a positive. >> that's interesting, coldly, he mentions tucker carlson has been in the news lately. his ratings are up to these having trouble keeping advertisers which tells you corporate america might be a little skittish here, even if there's a large majority of other americans who w

first up we have jamil jivani was a lawyer and author. who has a nonprofit organization aimed at helping people. he's a graduate of yale law school, and the author of the book why young men, the dangerous allure of violent movement on what we can do about it. i hope we get a chance to talk about that the next panelist is rafael mangual who is a deputy director of legal policy at the manhattan institute and has written widely on urban crime, policing, and the justice system in general. i'm finally we have coleman hughes who has recently joined the manhattan institute in this a graduate of columbia university. coleman has testified before congress on slavery reformations and he is written widely about race with a number of publications including the "new york times", wall street journal and coal at. so let's get started with the questions, gentlemen. i thought i would start with yo you, rafael. it's a very basic question but i think a lot of people assume that once you get your take on this. and that is do we know that the floyd encounter w

>> because as jamil, it says it gives us a test. lawyers love that. you have to have a subject that society has an expectation, except that it wasn't. on the one hasn't, who knows what one as subject i have opinion is. in katz, the guy closed the booth behind him, but people may have different expectations. more significantly, the court warriors never systematic about what expectations are actually reasonable. there's a fascinating study by professor slobogan, and he learned there was no correlation between what the students expected, and the kind of interests that the court has protected. there's a kind of let's make it up quality to the application of the harlan test. furthermore, it's circular, for the reasons we have discussed, because it's possible for the government to lower or expectations. justice harlan himself seemed to have second thoughts about the test. in the white case, he xwrated a more -- i guess the fancy wort is saying how much privacy should people in a free society be entitled to demand. that was a far more rho best test. >> so he

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now, jamil says racism still exists. it could be playing a role here in the way communities are policed. .. >> how much of a difference do you think these reforms will make to the problem camille is talking about? >> and just how big the problem in the problems as i see it under a broader debate there is a toxic narrative particularly in the community that says policing is an institution and those that are reserved for black and brown people. this is extremely rare and that is true with legal or nonlethal force. and that's coming from 2018. and firing the weapons but then the nonlethal force this is not a large-scale all problem the with a practical limit that we will face in the different you can make to say that because they are so overblown, there really isn't that much room for improvement. and over the last several decades this is the problem 19751 more than 220 were wounded that by 2016 it was down and none of that and that is the limit that any proposal would face to the extent it can overcome this narrative. but

first up we have jamil who is a lawyer and author and a nonprofit organization. a graduate of yale law school and the author of the book why young men. the next panelist the deputy director of legal policy has written widely on urban crime and the criminal justice system in general. and finally as a graduate of columbia university slavery reparations and has written widely about race for any number of publications including the new york times and the wall street journal. so starting with the question questions, i thought i would start with you. , a very basic question that i think a lot of people assume we wanted to get your take on this do we know that the floyd encounter with police is racially motivated are it happened because floyd was black? and if not why have so many people jump to that conclusion? >> i think the answer is complicated the short answer is no as far as i have seen there is no evidence to show racial animus which was reprehensible but the reason that so many people have assumed it was racially motivated because it fits into a pre-existing rhe

as jamil said the amendment says congress shall make no law. it doesn't say mark zuckerberg shall make no law. it is not enough to say that simply because we sign a user agreement then we have no privacy and there is not an easy answer. congress and citizens and regulators and the federal trade commission, ultimately we the people have to be as creative as those justices were and as harvey schneider was, the hero of our show tonight. thank you, judge schneider, for having challenged the court to translate the amendment in light of the new technologies and that is what all of us have to do now that our privacy is being threatened not only by the government but also private actors. >> so closing comments, the enduring nature of katz. what would you say? >> it certainly does influence every debate about the fourth amendment and about government sla surveillance and is very much a live topic in our political bodies, the legislature, between the legislative branch and the executive branch in recent weeks and months. inevitably the court will take up

jamil, you wrote a powerful piece for rolling stone honoring not only lewis but reverend c.t. vivian saying despite their work, this is a still a nation that failed them. can you explain more. >> yes. i feel like we have been a nation that continues the mourn here r heroes like this but continues to come up short with regards to the promise that they have fought for. i think john lewis demand ed vividly in that march on washington in 1963 freedom now. not later. not eventually but now. here we are all these years later still fighting the same battles. i think what we need to do to honor him is not preoccupy ourselves with perhaps naming bridges or acts after him to honor him but carry forward his work and to really make sure that he will not simply the voting rights act is fixed but legislation like hr1, the democrat house legislation that he was preoccupied with when i spoke with him in 2019, the carried forth and passed. when we talk about honoring our leaders and our hero, to do things like today, we mourn them properly but we also make sure we carry forward the struggle th

hill, staff writer for "the atlantic" and host of the podcast "jamil hill is unbothered" and has a newhank you for matching me in the attire. i'm going to go to bill first on this one. bill, i'm going to quote your column that you penned that suggests now is the time to remove washington's nfl team. you write, "our history skips over the details and tells us that the government took land away from indians but skips the gruesome details. this is why statues are toppling and confederate flags are being removed. the fight of george flied being executed in cold blood by a minnesota police officer was sickening." so, really, the persecution of black people has cast a wide net of influence in almost every industry. one thing i find interesting about this is the team owner in d.c. for a long time would come out and parade, you know, some members, indigenous people, and say, well, they don't find this racist, so it's all good. so, this white team owner was able to decide what was racist and what wasn't and found people to echo that message. i kind of think that would be like if you plucked, yo

president for its critical coverage human rights groups so the decision is a major blow to media freedom jamil and the gun joins us live from manila just to be clear jamila has this network actually done and the thing that is strictly speaking illegal. well you know over the past 12 congressional hearings almost every possible legal accusation has been thrown against the country's biggest media network from labor violations to tax evasion even the very citizenship qualifications of its owner chairman gabby lopez they question whether he was really filipino whether he had the right to own a media channel which is actually restricted under the philippine constitution but again it all boiled down to congress voting majority against the renewal of its franchise which expired after 25 years so yesterday around 70 lawmakers voted against the renewal while around 11 voted in favor of the renewal of a.b. a c.b.s. media network to air again now they are given from that this issue and within 24 hours basically to submit an appeal to the very same debate the that made and led this position and the and he

jamil yet says that those operations were extraordinarily complex. be honest with you it's it's very rare that we we do this it's. amazing that we're still talking about these records and they haven't been the issue 7 and so but there's an argument that if that will release is if you're an environmentally sensitive area it could be a lot more catastrophic and and definitely a lot more expensive in the long run to do that so for example you're dealing with the pollution recovery costs and once released from that wreck you can only recover say 10 to 25 percent with current technology on the surface so really it's a losing game once you've once he was released. many countries have adopted a wait and see approach to these situations but norway has pursued an aggressive strategy. norway's coastline is filled with fjords islands and base and covers a total of more than 25000 kilometers. in oil leak here could result in an environmental catastrophe. norwegian coastal authorities are committed to a policy of prevention. and spit and morten storm is part of t

[applause] we're also joined by jamil king, small business owner here in atlanta.p's, -- please, come and say a few words. >> thank you. thank you, ups, for delivering all my shoes on time. [laughter] i, he's, my husband and the one that really goes to well of this. bp of external affairs. it is such an honor. we have 10 employees that are -- which one of them received the united states citizenship this morning -- so that's awesome. [applause] we have 150 subcontractors. who have a number of projects that are taking place throughout this -- we have a number of projects that are taking place throughout the state. our ability to supply plans with on-time projects probably is externally important. several have proposed fantastic ideas to developing new forms of commuting, red tape restrictions in place have hindered these ideas and have extensive -- and due to extensive impact studies that increase timelines. have shownnt, you what leadership can do when you reform the old way of doing things. infrastructure reform and building new roads faster will not only help our

like so many others jamil calico is unable to return to his home.he is the crimean tatars most famous musician and it was he who rediscovered their ancient and for. the locals the good to go on holding up the option. group summer. sam i have is honest enough there were so dearly in him lemme see in the leg and their mother so many years with us was 1st born as you said would only one of them they would have chastised you but i was listening always in my ears cursing about them all of it and i will do that today and i doubt there will malignity lifetime as you have of us what your money is not only responding today and had complete is then you are divorced at the end they can and they are still there on my. right a.t.r. was a top post on television station based in simferopol. but soon after the annexation russian forces moved to close it down. today rather than giving concerts and back just arriving jimmy a character of plays at a ta ta restaurant a kid. in the audience tonight is a woman who brought the crime in qatar course to world attention. sin

like so many others jamil calico is unable to return to his home.he is the crimean tatars most famous musician and it was he who rediscovered their ancient and for. so that's who you're looking to the good to go on hold and have a few clips of our. and so my are his honesty afterward so there again him lemme see in the middle like in the mother so many years with us was 1st born as you said would only more than it would have chastised you but i was listening always in my eyes because about there was a thing i want to know today and that there you almost got it he lifetime as you have it was what you must not only responding today and had complied as then you are divorced at the end they couldn't and they were so literal that i. write a t.r. was a top post on television station based in simferopol. but soon after the annexation russian forces moved to close it down. today rather than giving concerts and back just the right jimmy a carriage call of plays at a qatar restaurant a kid. in the audience tonight is a woman who brought the crime in touch our

arnson is a former student and so is jamil brown. >> they tell me like having a sense of like communitynd a sense of family like, you know, making your community your family. >> reporter: marches are nothing new for kids who come to the center. every year it holds a march against violence during its summer camp. >> marching teaches them about everything. one of the things that we say to them is it's very important to be seen, so part of that is learning to advocate for yourself. >> reporter: the center's mission was tested with the stay-at-home order after being closed for months. it finally reopened two weeks ago for its summer program. >> be very, very strong. >> reporter: we are the place that gives them so many first time experiences. young people need to have places to be where they can be safe, where they can have vision. >> reporter: besize learning about careers, arts and wellness, the kids are also getting another important lesson. >> we'll be making african masks that resembles us. >> this mask-making class is part of a lesson on african history. >> reporter: the center teache

jamil jaffer of george mason university national security institute. the witnesses will be unmuted, so we can swear them in now. so please raise your right hand. do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? >> i do. >> i do. >> i do. >> let the record show that the witnesses answered in the affirmative. thank you. and without objection, your written statements will be made part of the record. with that, chairman rogers, nice to see you again, you are recognized to provide your testimony. >> thank you, madam chair, good to see so many colleagues i had a privilege to work with and some new ones as well. and to be on a panel of very distinguished experts in the field of cybersecurity and actually how weigh approach it. this has been a very long journey for me, madam chair, to get to where i would sit in front of the committee and say i support a cyber director. as congressman langevin and my good friend congressman ruppersburger both have reminded me over the yea

i like to hear your enthusiasm and frustration that i have >> thanks very much jamil jaffer. >> i think there is an amendment in the bill of rights that says that all the rights are given to the federal government and are given to the people and respect respectively to the people it hasn't been interpreted very much it has been utilized, in part because there is very little detail behind it and the court has had a hard time grappling with what that amendment means that being said, the fourth amendment doctrine has changed over time. this case was a landmark case because it changed the doctrine that has been in place for 40 years and since then, katz has been the controlling precedent that dictates how we think about surveillance and has for the last 40 some odd years there has been an interesting shift just recently, the court has made a move back towards a more property based view of at least, in some surveillance cases, it's revitalized omitted and goldman at least the underlying principles, going back to the the amendment the question now becomes, what do you do with these cases as w

as jamil said, the amendment says congress shall make no law. it doesn't say mark zuckerberg will have no law that is imly because we sign a user agreement that we have no privacy and the challenge -- and there's not an easy answer and i think that congress and citizens and regulators and the federal trade commission and ultimately, we, the people, have to be as create of as the justices were and as harvey was and he's the hero of the show tonight and thank you judge schneider in light of these new technologies and that's what all of us have to do now that our privacy is being threatened not only by the government. >> jamil, closing comments and the enduring nature of katz. >> it certainly does influence every debate about the fourth amendment and government surveillance in the national security context. it is very much a live topic in our political bodies and the legislative branch in weeks and recent months at the court. to the present day, will things change? inevitably and the court will take more cases and will katz be forgotten? i highly d