david: jamu, i'll get to your point of infrastructure now. i can't tell you how many public projects whether it's on a highway or in my own neighborhood here in new york or wherever you see a public project you see a lot of workers standing around not doing much work you see these things they always say it's going to take six months, that becomes a year, then it becomes four years. you hear about how over budget it is. i have a lot more faith in private projects than i do in public projects don't you? >> well, you know, i'm not trying to pay $5 in a toll fee to just drive that mile of road that steve mentioned and we do have to take that into account. the more we privatize all of these efforts, the more those costs are going to come back on us, as citizens, and whether it's toll roads or increased electric fees, electricity fees or whatever utilities you're looking at, those are real costs that american families are going to have to figure out how to pay for. david: but when i see the public projects going on and on those interest real costs