let's bring in congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois. welcome to the show. >> thank you, professor. >> are you disappointed that president obama won't get behind some form of gun control? >> i think the president is correct in thinking that it's unlikely, impossible, i would say right now, for any kind of substantial legislation to pass the house of representatives and probably the senate as well. but i think it is time to have that conversation. look, the national rifle association and others say, well, it's not time to be political. but it's they, the national rifle association and their kin that are making a public safety issue a political issue. they don't want to see any kind of legislation that would not only keep guns out of the hands of crazy individuals, but why does any individual need an automatic weapon? why do they need to buy 6,000 bullets? why do they need to have a high capacity magazine, the ability to shoot off 100 bullets in just a few seconds and kill so many people? i think that most americans, even those, i imagine,

. >> congresswoman jan schakowsky of illinois. thank you for your time and your honesty this morning, i appreciate it. i want to bring in our monday morning power panel. we have keith boykin, republican strategist trey hardin, and erin mcpike. great to have all three of you here. and erin, the associated press wrote, in a world where amazon can track your next book purchase and you must register to buy allergy medicine, james holmes spent months stockpiling ballistic bullets without raising any red flags with authorities. erin, this is obviously a serious problem in this country. both sides could probably agree on this, but they won't. >> you're right. but i think the bigger thing here is that the white house has already said that president obama will not be pushing for more gun control. and you just had on congresswoman schakowsky, who is saying we need to have a national conversation about this. i don't think that's going to happen when you already have a democratic president in office, in the white house, saying they're not goi

congresswoman jan schakowsky from illinois is a strong advocate for gun control and she joins us now. congresswoman, it's good to have you here. and we learned just from the police reports about what this shooter had, the three guns, one assault rifle, $6,000 worth of ammunition -- >> no, 6,000 bullets. it was 6,000 bullets. >> correct, it was 6,000 bullets, pardon me. but you are now calling on your colleagues to take action against gun violence. when you're saying you're calling on your colleagues to do this, what specifically do you want to see this? >> well, i know that carolyn maloney -- carolyn mccarthy's, whose husband was killed on the long island highway, a longtime safety advocate, has suggested legislatio legislation, which i support, but we really need to have a discussion about this. do we really believe that any individual needs to purchase 6,000 bullets online? do we think that any individual really needs a weapon that will shoot 100 rounds at one time? do you need that to hunt? do you need that for any reasonable purpose? of course not. and i think that most americans

joining us now is jan schakowsky and ed rendell.ou both for joining me. >> thank you. >> my pleasure. >> congresswoman, why would the republicans waste so much time attacking something that's doing really so much good for the american people? >> well, you could say the definition of insanity is to do something over and over again. but i think they must feel that somehow there's a political advantage. although the polls are now saying kaiser family foundation poll says 56% of americans just think republicans have to get over it and move on past trying to repeal the health care bill. and i think we have a great moment of opportunity here, reverend al, to have people take another look at how good the affordable care act, how good obama care is really going to be for them. and is for many millions of people already. >> now, governor rendell, when you look at the fact that this effects real people -- let's go outside of the beltway. let me show you some of the guests who have personally been touched in their lives directly or indirectly

illinois congresswoman jan schakowsky said we need to do more, and she's here tonight. >>> as the governor of massachusetts, you did sign a legislation restricting or banning assault weapons. did that work in massachusetts to your satisfaction? >> the aurora shooting creeps into presidential politics. the big panel weighs in. >> and the fallout from michele bachmann's unhinged attack against hillary clinton's top aide continues. huma abedin now requires police protection as rush limbaugh decides to pile on. >> now the democrats are in minnesota seeing if bachmann is vulnerable because of what mccain's done. >> good evening, i'm michael eric dyson in for ed schultz. today, the world got its first glimpse of the man accused of one of the worst mass killings in american history. with his attorney at his side, james eagan holmes sat in silence in a colorado courtroom today. holmes with his hair dyed a reddish-orange appeared dazed at times and showed little emotion. as the judge informed him of his rights. holmes has been held at solitary confinement at a local detention facility. his motives

jan schakowsky joins me with reaction next. >>> a republican speaks out against michele bachmann's witche details. >>> and later, remembering the 12 victims of friday's shooting in colorado. hear their stories from their family and friends. share your thauths thoughts with us on facebook and twitter using the hash tag ed show. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." the aurora shooting will not bring about any new discussion from president obama about gun control. of course, the president did the right thing by going to aurora yesterday and meeting with families of the lost and surviv survivors. but his press secretary said there would be no new push on gun control. quote, the president believes we ned to take steps that protect the second amendment rights of the people but ashire that we're not allowing weapons into the hands of individuals who should not be existing law obtain those weapons. the president's view is we can take steps to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them under existing law. that's his focus right now. when asks about an assault

illinois congresswoman jan schakowsky said we need to do more, and she's here tonight. >>> as the governortts, you did sign a legislation restricting or banning assault weapons. did that work in massachusetts to your satisfaction? >> the aurora shooting creeps into presidential politics. the big panel weighs in. >> and the fallout from michele bachmann's unhinged attack against hillary clinton's top aide continues. huma abedin now requires police protection as rush limbaugh decides to pile on. >> now the democrats are in minnesota seeing if bachmann is vulnerable because of what mccain's done.

joining us to sort through some of that: congresswoman jan schakowsky, a democrat from illinois. dave kopel, a constitutional law professor at the university of denver. he's also an associate policy analyst at the cato institute. and mike dimock, associate director at the pew research center. michael, i want to start with you because we know that criminal violence is down. gun ownership is down. but gun control is also down. how do those things square? >> it has been a long-term trend. in the '90s most of the 90s as recently as '99 you had support for gun control exceeding support for maintaining gun rights by more than two to one. that eroded a bit in the early 2000s. we've seen a dramatic change in the last three or four years. our latest survey in april found 49% saying that the priority should be on protecting gun rights. 45% saying that the priority should be protecting gun control. the first time really those lines have crossed. >> ifill: i want to ask you this and turn to the other two and ask the question as well whether the debate is really about gun violence or about gu