only one person voted against it, and that's fine -- that person, jan shakowski has added to the debate. i've never been a numberses guy. this will never go away. it's an indigestible lump. >> woodruff: if you don't get the 14 votes will this have been an exercise? >> the path we're on is unsustainable. i think this is the moment of truth. the american people get it. when alan and i go through airports we get nothing but thumbs up. when i'm at home in north carolina people say don't weak out on this, stay tough, we've got to get this budget down. the american people are way ahead of the politicians. >> ifill: even if you can't get it enacted into law? >> paul ryan, head of the budget committee in the house has already said 85% of what we recommend will be in this budget and as you said, the head of the senate budget committee and the ranking member voted for it today. i think we've made enormous process. i think the era of deficit denial is over. >> woodruff: senator simpson, how do you address the criticism of somebody like paul ryan, a budget expert in the house, a fellow republican o