chuck wexler, is the kind of policing that janai nelson is describing, is that feasible? is that possible in this country now? >> well, i think we have to work together. i think, right now, we have divided communities. i think we have to take responsibility. i mean, look at demonstrations. why do police own those demonstrations? they should be working with the community. we should be engaged with them. that's the future, you know. the future isn't necessarily just legislation, the future is thinking differently about the police, the future is thinking how do we prevent what happened in minneapolis, how do we select the best and the brightest, how do we change training? training in this country hasn't changed in 25 years, but i'm optimistic. i mean, police want to do a good job. we need good police, but we do need to fundamentally change. it's hard. it's going to take work, but i'm optimistic if we recognize we can't lose this moment or move on to the next video and get preoccupied. i talk to police sheriffs all the time and they're devastated by this case. that's not who

judy: janai nelson, someone who works for the naacp that works towards equality for all americans, how you seeing this verdict? janai: i am seeing this verdict as an inflection point. it is a floor. it is sadly something we could not count on. this conviction was well deserved. it is something that should have been beyond any doubt, and yet many of us were bracing ourselves for an alternative that could have been incredibly devastating not only for the family of george floyd, to whom i extend the legal defense fund 's most sincere condolences, but also for the greater community that is working so hard to peacefully bring change and transition a transformation to the way that we conduct a public safety apparatus in our country. right now, it is woefully broken. it is clear that even with the conviction like the one we saw today, that is not a panacea. it is not a solve for the murders and killings and other forms of violence that continue to be visited on black and brown communities, as we saw in the daunte wright case, adam toledo's case, and the others that precedeit, including breonn

. >> garrett, this sets up our next conversation quite well because i'm curious right now, janay, nelson to get your immediate what the naacp defense fund, i think i have an idea of what senator scott was trying to describe here, i assume this has to do with the issue of qualified immunity and who is ultimately the most accountable here. is that how you interpreted what he was trying to say of what a compromise might look like? i know you're very involved in all of the happenings that's going on on the hill? how can you interpret what he said for us, if you will? >> i interpret it as an opening. it seems that he is trying to shield individual police officers and rather focus the attention on police departments and, of course, we have always advocated for a focus on the systemic culture of policing and that departments need to be examined. in fact, the entire policing system needs to be examined for the policies and practices and the engrained discrimination and racism that motivates much of the violence that we see today, that has brought us to this moment. it is perfectly appropriate to