along with him former democratic congresswoman jane harman of california. and neil . >> and representing team no, those who say the nsa is not making us safer is anthony ramir ramiro. also on team no, former republican congressman mickey edwards of oklahoma. he was a ranking member of the subcommittee on foreign operations. and finally jeffrey rosen, the president and ceo of the national constitution center in philadelphia. before we dive in, we know that both the audience with us here in aspen and online have strong feelings about this topic and want to be weighing in as the conversation goes on. so we're using some innovative new voting technology powered by microsoft. my colleague richard wolffe, the xekt tiff editor of msnbc.com is here to explain to us how it's all going to work. richard? >> thanks, andrea. over the next hour as we discuss the issue of whether the nsa makes us safer, we want you to answer this simple question. we're calling it the pulse question. who is winning the debate? now we've divided the teams in two, team yes which says the nsa

jane harman, head of the wilson center and former member of the house intelligence committee and also house homeland security ranking member joins me now from the wilson center. jane, what we can see now is just horribly tragic. an airplane down. we don't know the cause. we know it's down near donetsk after a series of incidents in the last couple of days. what does the united states do and how do we find out what has happened here? >> let me commend you on your, as usual, careful reporting. you've had a series of people on the show who were sketch iing this. we don't know how all the pieces fit yet and we shouldn't jump to conclusions. so congratulations to you. that's why your viewers, like me, watch this show regularly. what should the united states do? be careful is the answer. no quick rush to judgment. let's remember, 100 years ago, the arch duke ferdinand was assassinated n that led to world war i which looking back was based on a miscalculation. clearly this is a tragedy. it seemed to me it wasn't pilot error. and it was a deliberate intrusion by a bad actor. who was that bad

jane harman. >> thank you very much. it's a pleasure to see a dear friend in washington. >> thank you. >> really a pleasure. congratulations to the atlantic counsel for this enormous cow in getting our friend to join you. two things. first of all, everyone in this audience wishes you were still prime minister of the palestinian authority. i speak on behalf of everybody here. >> and dissenting voices, please be violent. >> uh-huh. and we all remembered the two-year plan to improve so sfa. that is what my question's about. they've done a pretty good job of running the west bank. and ramallah is, and build settlements and other things that israel has done. is there a fact that given the arab neighborhood is not fond of hamas to use that story with their support to help build a coalition for enhancing the pa's role. something you've just suggested. as part of the solution which would include a cease-fire, which would include an agreement for i would hope demilitarization of gaza. i understand that's a hard thing to do. but a

the wilson center's president jane harman is not with us today. should actually is at the aspen institute poll convening am co-chairing a group to the home hud secretary jeh johnson. she let me note earlier this morning that she spoke with a second or last i. one of the things he pointed out is the fact that migration flows are decreasing of young people, notably the foreigners has pointed this out as well from the numbers that they have reversing about 50% drop over the last few days. this is heartening. it's a sign that some things are working. what this should allow us to do is focus on the root causes going forward. focusing on the root causes if something is in the interest not only of el salvador, guatemala and honduras but also the united states and mexico, and welcome to the foreign ministers of el salvador and guatemala. good to have your and could have the ambassadorship as well. the wilson center's latin american program are proud to be a trusted space where the issues can be discussed. i'm very pleased to turn this over to the director

former democratic congressman jane harman, danielle pletka vice president of the foreign and defense policy studies at the american enterprise institute also nia-malika henderson of the "washington post" and wall street young r journal gerald seib. i'm interviewing the prime minister of israel, his alert goes off in tel aviv. then israeli ambassador to the united states comes in, his siren goes off on his phone, technology is just amazing, a rocket being fired at the very village where his mother is. it's just this whole thing. jane, what is going to happen? >> i don't know, bob. i think it's a tragedy all around. just imagine what would be happening to israel if she didn't have the iron dome system and pieces of that were cost shared and actually financed developed by u.s. technology and supported by congress on bipartisan basis when that happened. and so 95% of these rockets are ineffective against israel. i think the next steps -- my sense ever benjamin netanyahu. i think underestimated how prudent he's being. they may have to go in with tanks, they went win one tank as you said,

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and joining us from aspen, colorado, the former democratic congresswoman, jane harman.she's now president and ceo of the wilson center. gloria, how does it look for the president of the united states to be doing all this fund-raising, traveling around when there are so many of these global crises going on right now? >> look, wolf, we're not seeing a lot of pictures of the president, and there's a reason, because they know that if we were to see pictures, if the press were to be let in to see the president hobnobbing with people giving an awful lot of money to the democratic party which, by the way, he ought to be raising. there's an upcoming midterm election, that he would be criticized for it which is why the press is being kept at arm's length. we don't see a lot of these pictures. we don't get the access that i think the press would like to have because they understand the optics are important, which is why they're also taking pains to tell us that he's constantly in touch with the secretary of state, john kerry, that if he has to fly back to washington, he will fly

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vice president for programs here at the wilson center and i want to welcome everyone on the has to jane harman, the president, director of ceo of the wilson center who is out of town at the moment, but she wishes she could be here because this is going to be a really interesting and port session. it is interesting both for what you will hear today and because this is the inaugural session of what will be ongoing seminar series looking at energy issues in different regions of the world. we hope to have the series continue more on every other month. one of the reasons for doing this is because obviously energy is a golden word. we were just talking about how unlike say imperial russian law, energy will fill a room in washington. there are real reasons for that because the issues we are going to talk about very much will affect how we live our lives. so it is important for us to be adding to the conversation about energy into do so by building on the wilson center thanks by focusing on regions around the world and bringing the regional dimension. the series then this book comes from a book, which

here at the wilson center, and i want to welcome everyone on behalf of jane harman, the president, director and ceo of the wilson center, who is out of town at the moment, but she wishes she could be here because this is going to be a really interesting and important session. it's interesting and important both for what you'll hear today and because this is the inaugural session of what will be an ongoing seminar series looking at energy issues in different regions of the world with. we hope to have the series continue more or less on every other month. and one of the reasons for doing this is because, obviously, energy is a golden word. we are just talking about how unlike, say, imperial russian law, energy will fill a room in washington. and there are real reasons for that, because the issues we're going to talk about very much will affect how we all live our lives. so it's important for us to be adding to the conversation about energy and to do so by building on the wilson center's strengths, by focusing on regions around the world and bringing in the regional dimension. this series and

it is enormously impressive to me, jane harman, the president and c.e.o., that we have this high level crowd on the day after a major federal holiday. congratulations to all of you. it speaks well of the wilson center and very well of our participants and extremely well of you. at you are here to explore what is incredibly troubling topic. to me someone who watched the middle east very carefully during 17 years in congress and who made 25 trips to the region during that time, there is clearly reason to worry that we could be on the cusp of a third ntifada. that is something we will explore. hopefully, calmer heads will prevail, but what we are watching hourly between the israelis and the palestinians is extremely worrisome. i have heard conversation on some of the talk shows today about the need for special envoys. that is something our moderator was asked earlier today. observers think the egyptians are in the best position to play that role, but my knowledge they are not playing that role. the conversation today comes at a crucial moment. who are the palestinians, and what government

>> please give jane harman my best. she is a real leader. talk about a spark plug. i think that was mentioned earlier. to answer your question, i think the reason i want to do this authorization bill -- which has never been done -- is to test this. it's going to -- i have no illusions that jurisdiction is going to change in the next congress fundamentally. maybe we can make some tweaks. >> that was before our report. you mean everything is not going to change tomorrow? >> i think -- >> we do not accept this. the 9/11 families do not accept this. >> i want to work with you to talk to our leadership. but i think this authorization will be a test, because it is going to fundamentally rely on me working with the other chairmen to get it done. and that's where i'm handicapped. if i can't achieve that, it will demonstrate why we need to correct this jurisdictional problem. the other piece, in addition to the oversight and the burden it places on the secretary and the department, the other piece is just being able to legislate. i gave you two examples of important bills, a

it is enormously impressive toms me, jane harman, the president and ceo, that we have this high-levelwd on the day after major federal holiday.fede congratulations to all of you. be it speaks well, obviously, of the wilson center, it speaks very well of our participants, and it speaks extremely well of you, that you are here to explore what is an incredibly timely and troubling topic for the palestinians. me, someone we middle east carefully for 17 years in congress and who made 25 trips to the region during that time, there is reason to worry that we could be on the cusp of a third intifada. that is something we will explore. >> most observers think the egyptians are in the best hea position to play that role, bute as yet at least to my knowledge they are not playing that role. so today's conversation comes atsv a crucial moment.pl foray starters, who are themome palestinians?e pa and who -- what government governs all the palestinians, comma, if any? does the integration of the technical side of hamas into the palestinian authority reflect the inte grace of hamas? is the rest of ham