let's get jane harman, you were there. when were you told that the u.s. -- that the cia was engaged in these covert activities usually outside of the united states, waterboarding, sleep deprivation, what people described as torture, enhanced interrogation? how early did you as the ranking member of the house intelligence committee learn about that? >> i learned about it in february 2003. the practice started about a year early and the prior ranking member i assume was briefed in 2002 when a leadership of the intelligence committee was briefed. the leadership changed in 2003. that's when i was told about it. i was told by scott mueller and that's who i wrote the letter raising these profound policy questions. it's important to remember when this was. this was really just a year and a half of the most grievous attack on u.s. soil. but the problem with this program was the way it was designed. i think the senate majority report -- and i look forward to reading the minority report and cia report, too. they just got posted. mak

jane harman sat on the house of representatives permanent select committee on intelligence in the post- 9/11 years rising to become its ranking member. she now runs the woodrow wilson center in washington. john yoo was in the bush administration and one of the authors of the government's so-called torture memos. he's now a professor at berkeley law school. and mar was not muasher was deputy prime minister of jordan in the post 9/11 years. his nation was an important ally on the war on terror. john, let me start with you. you did author or have authored some of the moem memos that authorized the ooze of enhanced interrogation. when you read about this report and the techniques that were used, forced rectal feeding, agency officials threatening to rape the mothers of prisoners, people with broken limbs being forced to stand for hours and hours, deprived of sleep for up to one week, doesn't that strike you as torture? >> well, those are very troubling examples. they would not have been approved by the justice department. they were not approved by the justice department at the time. but i

i was part that have process with joel lieberman, with susan collins and jane harman. we harmed through a tough process, and we came out of a bipartisan product. we move the process forward. this is a partisan report by democrats in the senate. it does not move the ball forward. >> having said that what about the conclusions that it comes to. i understand your objections to the process, but what about the material contained inside. >> there was a systemic process of withholding information from congress and deceiving congress. from 2004 until 2011 i was recipient. he was a consumer of the product given by the c.i.a. i looked at staff and said as this report came out and said, how much of this report is stuff we never knew about? what is knew here? the response that came back, we knew 95% of this stuff. we were informed of this. i think the big gap of this report is why didn't the democrats in the senate, why didn't they look at congress' role when we were told, when we were informed, what the c.i.a. shared with us about these programs. when we didn't get the informatio

he was interviewed by former congresswoman and will send center president jane harman.ident and ceo of the wilson center and recovering pop tish shun. general allen says that i haven't recovered. probably true. it is not a 12 step program. but we're delighted to host him here today. i first met general john allen while i was leading a congressional delegation to guantanamo prison. we stopped first, the stopped first at certaintycom to see my good friend, david petraeus, who was our then centcom commander. general allen was dave's deputy. we sat next to each other at dinner, and boy, was i am impressed and he has continued to impress. first rising to deputy commander to acting commander after dave left to head isaf. then taking command of isaf himself when dave moved to the cia. his is a hell of a resume'. general allen spearheaded some tough missions in uniform but he has led two of his toughest out of it. organizing an international effort aspects presidential envoy to the global coalition against isil and keeping israeli-palestinian peace discussions warm, that is his

the only one that objected to any of this, and it was more of a caution, was jane harman in 2003 when she says, be careful because the perception will be in the future that you did this to hide something. but she was the only person who objected to anything. >> how about jay rockefeller, chairman of the senate intelligence committee? there have been reports, in fact, he urged you to do more to more people. is that true? >> yes. you know, it's interesting because i can remember going back to hearings and meetings with congress back in 2002 and biggest thing they told me, you know, your problem is you guys are risk averse. have you to go out and use the authorities you were given to protect america. all of these people were briefed, rockefeller in particular. senator rockefeller was actually very knowledgeable, even to the point of requesting specific information that was in the 2004 ig report. he wanted more information. asked for the original cable. all of these people knew exactly what we were doing. >> mr. rodriguez, are you mentioned repeatedly in the senate intelligence report tha

yet as representative jane harman noted, women serving in the u.s. military are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire. only about a third of attempted rapes and rapes are reported. other research indicates that fewer than 10% of sexual assaults will result in conviction. part of the reason is lingering rape myths. a toronto police officer told a group of college women that if they wanted to avoid sexual assaults, they should avoid dressing like sluts. despite recent reform efforts, it's the victim's conduct as well as the assailant's that's on trial in rape proceedings. juror perceptions of the moral character of the complainant has traditionally been the most important factor affecting whether there's a conviction. a textbook illustration figured in a recent, highly-publicized amherst student's account of her campus rape in which a sexual assault counselor told her that pressing charges would be useless, he's about to graduate. there's not much we can do, she said. are you sure it was rape? it might have been just a b

the only one that ever objected to any of this, and it was more of a caution, was jane harman, in 2003 when she says, be careful because the perception will be in the future that we -- you did this to hide something. >> jose rodriguez, the architect of the cia's enhanced interrogation program says some in congress, including senator james rockefeller, who launched the cia probe, asked if they were doing all they could. >> was the leadership of the committee, so-called gang of eight, were briefed. these people are on the record as having had at the time encouraged the cia to take every stop possible. >> the cia is now concerned foreign countries who cooperated with the u.s. detention program will not cooperate with the cia in the future. senator john mccain is one of the few republicans to describe the cia actions as torture. >> there were violations of the geneva conventions for the treatment of prisoners. there were violations of the convention against torture. some of these practices fly in the face of everything that america values and stands for. >> some say the chilling effect tha

brit hume, former democratic congresswoman jane harman, director of the woodrow wilson center. syndicated columnist george will. fox news political analyst, juan williams. brit, do you think protesters have a legitimate complaint as they march across the country in arguing about police targeting minorities and about grand jury's prosecutors protecting the police. >> yes. but i would take issue with the term targeting. i don't think that's been very well established. but look, i don't doubt that police departments across the country could learn to deal more skillfully with the minority communities they serve. i don't think there's any doubt about that. on the other hand, what strikes me about this whole controversy s you hear it in the remarks of the president and in the remarks of his attorney general, utter lack of sense of balance. they talk about police departments and the need for reform. do they address at all the pathologies within these african-american communities where a amount of crime, disproportionate amount to the size of the population are committed? no. do they t

i am jane harman, the president the wilson center. a recovering politician. it is not a 12 step program. we are delighted to host him here today. i first met general john allen while i was taking a congressional delegation to guantanamo prison. we stopped at centcom to see my good friend david pretorius. general allen was dave's debited. down at dinner and i was in pressprich first rising from dec deputy commander and isaf taking command of when dave went to cia. general allen spearheaded some tough missions in your form, but he has led two of his toughest out of it, organizing and effort as special envoy to the global coalition against isil and keeping israeli-palestinian peace discussions warm on the security side. when a history of the last three years is written, i hope there will be something positive to say about what has been achieved in the middle east. if there is, major credit will be due to general john holland, and we are thrilled to have him today. the plan is to ask general allen to make some opening remarks. i will then ask him a few questions,