back in september jane harman called on the president to unite congress and americans on a cause around which they agree. harman is an expert on national security issues who represented southern california in congress for nine terms. she sat on house committees on armed service, intelligence and homeland security and left congress in 2011 and is the c.e.o. of the wilson center. a nonpartisan group. i spoke with jane harman at the world economic forum in davos, where she says she supports the president's approach to defeating i.s.i.l. >> president obama wisely avoided a full blown largely, you know big resourced war on the ground with an american face on it. >> he tried to find a way to build a coalition of 60 countries under the direction of retired general john alan and that coalition will do a lot of things - an air campaign that no one expects will win this but will degrade i.s.i.l. and train folks on the ground - you made the point about who we are training. we have to be careful. i understand this could go south, but i think of the bad options. this is less bad than many others and

i think the wilson center and jane harman for right providing a forum. her wide support in this town people like her be the lot to people like me. on new year's day, i wrote out a set of new year's resolutions for the dhs. on top of the list with the manner we conduct security. the reality is dhs is so large , and we are still finding our way. we have filled almost all the senior level that existed in our department. just prior to the time i took office one year ago the department of fall plan security had no secretary or deputy secretary and senior level positions. we now have a secretary in the -- a new deputy secretary and the undersecretary, an undersecretary in the new undersecretary for science and technology, new commissioner and a new director for citizen of immigration is services and assistance secretary for customs enforcement, and new chief financial officer, new deputy director, a new deputy administrator of fema. a new inspector general. a new assistant secretary for legislative affairs. and a new assistant secretary for public affairs. we

jane harman called on the president and congress to unite those. harman represented southern california in congress for nine terms, sitting on the house committee in armed services, intelligence, and left congress in 2011. she is the c.e.o. of the wilson center, a nonpartisan research group on global issues. i spoke with jane at the world economic forum in davos, and she explained why she supports the president's response to defeating i.s.i.l. >> i think president obama wisely avoided a full-blown largely resourced war on the ground. he tried to find a way to rule a coalition under the direction of retired general john alan. it will do a lot of things. it will do an air campaign that no one expects it to win. but it will degrade i.s.i.l. you made a point about who are we training. we have to be careful. i think of pad options is less bad. it's not, in my view, the best tool we have to come up with a civilized world nara dive with a bump who are not muslims. they are people that kill more muslims than non-muslims, and i don't see anywhere in the kor

i have a feeling it will be very public and brutal. >> these jane harman these aren't just christian men but women and children too, who have been abducted, 90 yigs christians in syria. >> their claim is their, quote, religious beliefs don't tolerate people who are other than their form of muslim. there's also pr value in their targeting nonmuslims because that's a message to the west that they're targeting the west. that obviously is in their sights. >> you know, what's worrisome also in the midst of the terror threats there's this fight whether or not the department of homeland security should be funded. you just left congress. you're probably pretty happy you're not there anymore. how do you explain this? because that seems like a no-brainer. don't fool around with funding the department of homeland security. >> i say i miss the clowns but not the circus. what we have here i think is exactly that. once the court decided they were going to take that position of stopping -- >> the federal judge in texas. >> absolutely. >> he put the executive order that the president put forward on

i think jane harman in the wilson center for once again providing me with a form for the speech.to people like me. we cannot govern without you. thank you in the wilson center for everything you do. i new year's day i run i decided near his resolutions for this year leadership but dhs. at the top of the list were things that go to the manner in which we conduct business and deliver homeland security. the reality is that dhs is a very large conglomerate of 22 component that is only 12 years old. we are a barge bureaucracy. we are still finding our way, but we are headed in the right direction. first over the last year we felt almost all the senior-level bacon days that existed in our department. just prior to the time i took office a year ago the department of homeland security has no secretary no deputy secretary and vacancies that a number of senior-level positions. we now have a new deputy secretary alejandro mayor chris new undersecretary for national protection and programs directorate, suzanne spaulding. a new undersecretary of intelligence and analysis, general frank taylor

i am jane harman president and ceo of the wilson center. 58 years ago a disgruntled austrian contractor packed a sewage control system in queensland sold millions of gallons of waste with to public land and public waters. all the ticket was a laptop and radio today infrastructure is increasingly networked with rail switches and water mains and power grids in american lives are more vulnerable than ever to additional disruption. the black market has flourished you can get zero days for a song for the would-be cyberterrorist it is not resources but creativity. craft a secure internet in cyberspace is a huge leadership challenge is is a digital apollo program. here we have invested intellectually in cyber. they are contacting scholars posting to hear from the administration on cybersecurity issues per grafton's if you want to get the job done right but a woman in charge. let's give a shout out to three. caroline came to us from the basement of the white house to adjust to the fact we had windows with real sunlight. to the head of our cyberinitiative building our capacity enormously and num

i asked jane harman what she thought of it.in her opinion this is going to be something similar to what the u.s. government has done on terrorism intelligence. now applied to cyber security. she said it's worked there, and she's hopeful it will work in this context. >> thank you very much. let's bring in daniel kaufman, director for information, innovation at darpa. dan, i was going, to listen nobody is safe on the internet, which is basically what you have said. we've got delta airlines hacked less than an hour ago. now we have the cfo not only of its own company, twitter, but a publically traded one being hacked. reason i think companies are doing the best they can with fear walls and anti-virus. reimagine days in which, for instance -- imagine what if every single program was slightly different so that what it hacked would only work on one and never work anywhere else. it would change the roi of the attacker and vrlg would change. >> maybe crisis is too strong a word but i will say somebody hacks into delta and they post obs

i am jane harman the president and ceo of the wilson center. 15 years ago a disgruntled australian contractor hacked a sewage control system in queensland spilling millions of gallons of waste onto public lands it into public waters. all it took him then was a laptop and the a radio. today our infrastructure is increasingly networked rail switches water mains power grids. americans lives are more vulnerable than ever to digital disruption. the hacker black market has flourished. you can buy zero days for a song song. a would be cyberterrorist who aren't limited in resources anymore. it's creativity. crafting a secure internet in securing america's place in cyberspace is a huge technical and leadership challenge. it's our digital apollo program. here at the wilson center we have invested intellectually and cyber. we think ahead of the new cycle to focus on the digital security risks posed by nonstate actors. we are attracting key scholars to study the challenge from all angles. we are regular hosting off the record dialogues and we are very grateful to hear today from one of this administratio

she has served in the house since 2011 when she won a special election to replace fellow democrat jane harman. also news from washington, "the wall street journal" has president obama appointing joseph clancy to leave the secret service. he has been interim chief since october. we will take you live to chicago for former governor and potential 2016 presidential candidate will be speaking to the lunchtime meeting in chicago on global affairs. mr. bush will be speaking shortly. we will have live conference. part of this morning's washington journal. host: we turn to our immigration debate and alan gomez. he is covering this issue for a long time. let us first talk about were taxes and these 25 other states appealing. what were they suing over on the presence executive action? guest: the present announced act in november that he would create this program to protect the 5 million undocumented immigrants from deportation. what the states were doing were trying to block that program. their argument is that by doing that -- by the president doing that and protecting these millions of undocumented im

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i'm jane harman, the president and ceo of the wilson center. 15 years ago, a disgruntled australian contractor hacked a sewage control system in queensland, filling millions of gallons of waste onto public land and into public waters. all it took human than was a laptop and a radio. today, our infrastructure is increasingly networks, rail switches water mains, power grids. americans lives are more vulnerable than ever to digital disruption. the hacker black market has flourished. you can buy zero days for song. for would be cyber terrorist of the limited resources anymore, it's creativity. crafting a secure internet and securing america's place in cyberspace is a huge technical and leadership challenge. it's our digital apollo program. here at the wilson center we have invested intellectually in cyber. we think ahead of the news cycle to focus on the digital security risk posed by nonstate actors. we are attracting key scholars to study the challenge from all angles. we are regularly posting off the record dialogues, and we are very grateful to hear today from one of this administration's seni